Gender confusion in Shovel Knight.

[Ryan Dorkoski]

Obviously Shield Knight and the main character are in a romantic relationship. I know there is an in-game reference to Shield Knight being female (although everything else about the character appears boy-ish and male - specifically the face avatar). Is there any reference to the gender of the Shovel Knight?

What intrigued me is that someone was once telling me a story of 'shield boys' that were assistants for warriors (the pair was specific and they acted as a team in battle), where there was often sexual relationships as well. My head was making all kinds of weird (potential) connections about this game having a homosexual couple as the main characters.

Does anybody have any insight?

Thanks in advance,

[FU]

-_-

When Shovel Knight is dreaming, sometimes he dreams he must save "HER"...catch "HER"...

So, yeah...he sounds really confused about things...

Just say Shield Knight is a man or transgender even, if that's your cup of tea.
Better yet, maybe Shovel Knight is really a woman, or he's also transgender...
How's that for confusing...lol

Even better...why don't you show the same respect to the developers for their choices
as you want others to have for you and your choices?

It's THEIR game(.)

[100% lob juice]

The next Shovel Knight game should have a boss called "Social Justice Knight" who is at the end of tumblr castle. They tell Shovel Knight to check their privilege and remove their phallic shovel weapon. Social Justice Knight attacks using the power of hashtags.

They can also transform into a fox, because otherkin special snowflakes and all that jazz.

[YinYin]

And Stereotype Knight, who attacks all and everyone who has the slightest relation to his image of the enemy with subconciouss hatred.

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Ursprungligen skrivet av YinYin:

And Stereotype Knight, who attacks all and everyone who has the slightest relation to his image of the enemy with subconciouss hatred.

I think that would be one of Social Justice Knight's abilities though.

[Naoya]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Code V:

You just proved his point about there being Batman that are different characters and not Bruce as a female or a different race. Those are done right like he said, it's when they change Bruces' gender or race for no reason is when they do it wrong.

But there have been already comics about Batman, Spiderman and every single ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ superhero who has an alternative rule 63 version of the comic mini-series drawn by an artist alongside with main comics with the general mythos. Why even bring this up? IF you don't buy it they won't draw it simple as that.

My point isn't that there isn't any of it. My point is that it shouldn't be done in a lazy "just retcon this character as a female" way. And it usually isn't, and that's good. If you read the conversation I was in, you'll see why I was mentioning this.

[YinYin]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av YinYin:

And Stereotype Knight, who attacks all and everyone who has the slightest relation to his image of the enemy with subconciouss hatred.

I think that would be one of Social Justice Knight's abilities though.

Probably too, yeah. But I think it's unique and widespred enough to justify the spotlight for a themed knight.

Could probably have a whole game filled with really really bad stereotypes like the tumblr one (viking ice themed knight? hah! pathetic stereotype in comparison) - and then have them all get along in the ending just like in Shovel Knight. Except for Polar Knight .... HMPH.

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If a game gives me a chance to choose characters, I like to pick something not stereotypical, for example a woman or an old man as a warrior and a young strongman as a wizard. But if it doesn't allow me to do that, it's no big deal. But it is big deal for many people for some reason, and this hurts videogame industry.

Agreed, I have no idea why SJW's have latched on to video games out of all the entertainment mediums.

SJWs need to target niche groups to push their agenda. If they started by targeting say, sports, they would not be listened to because sports is already too established for its followers to listen to SJWs, "social justice" activism would be entirely unheard of in sports up until that point.

The solution for SJWs is to target "alternative" groups. Groups with people less in touch with society at large, and ultimately more willing to listen to SJWs, due to the fact that their medium is less established. Video games, a relatively-recent medium with a plethora of niche fanbases and followings, is perfect for this. Since unfortunately a lot of video game enthusiasts aren't socialable, they suck up to the SJW teachings that they should hate themselves for being white/cis/whatever (not this example necessarily but they would feel inclined to at least blindly support the SJW agenda) for an opportunity to be "accepted" by society.

And that is how "alternative" groups have started to discuss counter-productive stuff like "gender identity" in a 2D retro platformer that can only serve to be made worse by heeding to such discussions.

[YinYin]

Ursprungligen skrivet av A Decadent Dandy:

SJWs need to target niche groups to push their agenda. If they started by targeting say, sports, they would not be listened to because sports is already too established for its followers to listen to SJWs, "social justice" activism would be entirely unheard of in sports up until that point.

I've heard of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVjkE9eEHMM

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Ursprungligen skrivet av A Decadent Dandy:

SJWs need to target niche groups to push their agenda. If they started by targeting say, sports, they would not be listened to because sports is already too established for its followers to listen to SJWs, "social justice" activism would be entirely unheard of in sports up until that point.

I've heard of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVjkE9eEHMM

Yeah I guess you have a point, but it doesn't have much influence on sports discussion amongst sports fans, whereas "social justice" stuff is regularly debated amongst videogame fanbases.

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This thread lost me at "cishet". I googled it but am still confused. Is that a new term for heterosexual male?

I'm just really enjoying Shovel Knight. I haven't really put much thought into the gender. /shrug Oh and if someone says "but you don't even own shovel knight", I bought it on the wii u :)

Heh. I would have got Shovel Knight on the Wii U but I don't think it's available on the 3DS or Wii U in Europe yet.

[ChJees]

And i thought Four-clover chan was joking with this.

[[]Something]

shut up, this is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ retro game for ♥♥♥♥♥ sake, go play your ♥♥♥♥ gone home movie

[Kartoffelsuppe]

I guess that is what you get in a nutshell when you watch to much lacigreen & some other youtubers that have no clue how the world works have a different opinion on society.

Edit: Not trying to be a ♥♥♥♥ here but I wish we would actually talk about the game & not let this turn into tumbl the thread.

[Lindar]

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I've just had a pretty awesome related read here:
http://paulftompkins.com/post/91760773039/this-was-quite-a-journey-i-spent-the-better-part
(you don't necessarily have to read the twitter convo to understand the actual text, but it was pretty amusing to me)

Cool article. Enjoyable read.

Ursprungligen skrivet av RAWRSOANGRY:

I know it sucks, but you CAN NOT explain this to them . I mean, 98% of them don't even eat hamburgers. They're trying to make a point and using hamburgers as their stepping stone. They think of hamburgers as fast food . It's just quick meal for people who love pickles. "Can I have mine without pickles?" They weren't around hamburgers in the 50's when fast food chains were just becoming popular and custom orders were hard to accommodate. We had no problem with pickles.

Well yeah, I get that you like pickles, and I'm not trying to say you shouldn't have pickles on your hamburger, I'm just saying I don't like pickles on mine. Can I please have a hamburger with no pickles?

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It's more that this particularly vocal group has been doing this crap for a while, now, and it's starting to /really/ piss some of us off. We want them to stop trying to change hamburgers to suit their personal tastes. Next some people won't want ketchup, and I need ketchup on *my* hamburger.

Well you see, I tried to go to the store to buy some ground beef, but there were pickles in the ground beef. I picked them out, but even after I cooked the burgers they still tasted kinda like pickles, so I didn't really like them. Would it really be that hard to let people have the option of including pickles, rather than just putting them in by default? (Oh yeah, and I totally like ketchup on my burgers too, or sometimes barbecue sauce.)

Ursprungligen skrivet av EveryAngryKidInThisThread:

RAWR RAWR RAWR THE PICKLE AGENDA RAWR RAWR KETCHUPNAZI RAWR RAWR

Look, I've been eating hamburgers since '89. I played Megahamburger. I played Double Patty. I played the hell out of some Super Burger Bros. I've been eating hamburgers my entire life. I literally cannot remember a time in my life when I did not have a computer^Wgrill or video game^W^W^Whamburger console. You need to take a freakin' chill pill and get some perspective. I just said I'd enjoy the game^Whamburger more if I could play as a girl^W^W^Wwithout pickles. The only people in this thread actually making demands are the ones who are painting me like I'm trying to force everyone to eat a veggie patty. The only people in here that have an agenda are the angry little boys in this thread that are calling me an SJW. (I think the joke started to decay at the end there.)

BY THE WAY...

The bechdel test isn't some demanding test to fit feminist guidelines, it's an observation about a given film that asks two questions:
1) Does the film contain two women who talk to each other?
2) Do they talk about anything other than men?

Nobody is demanding that all films follow this guideline, there are no boycots or protests of films that do not pass the bechdel test, it's just an observation. Understand? If the film is about dudes blowing each other, obviously it isn't going to pass the bechdel test and it probably doesn't *need* to either. Nothing particularly needs to; it's just an observation about the film. Like, just imagine for a moment that every movie you ever saw from now on was dudes kissing. Any love interest, two big, burly, muscley dudes gettin' some slobbery tongue-on-tongue going on. No chicks, just hard dudes on hard dudes. Transformers? Dudes. Fast and the Furious? Dudes (in thongs) at the starting line. X-Men? Scott and Logan finally realise their fierce competition has been a way for them to hide their feelings for each other and at the end they fall in love and there's a raunchy sex scene. Spiderman? Peter secretly has a crush on classmate Eddie Brock and has to come to terms with telling his girlfriend the truth about who he really loves. Captain America? Steve was secretly in love with Bucky and upon finding out he's alive in an era where being gay is acceptable, he tries to realise his love for him, and at that final fight they kiss passionately and Bucky's memory comes back.

I really hope that at some point you said, "Okay, what about one where dudes aren't kissing?", to which I respond, "Quit pushing your straight agenda. Do you hate gay people or something?", and just maybe you see my point... maybe.

I'm kinda done trying to explain anything to you shouty children, but I'm totally going to quote the ♥♥♥♥ out of you arguing about hamburgers from now on.

[Percy Miracles]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av YinYin:

I've just had a pretty awesome related read here:
http://paulftompkins.com/post/91760773039/this-was-quite-a-journey-i-spent-the-better-part
(you don't necessarily have to read the twitter convo to understand the actual text, but it was pretty amusing to me)

Cool article. Enjoyable read.

Ursprungligen skrivet av RAWRSOANGRY:

I know it sucks, but you CAN NOT explain this to them . I mean, 98% of them don't even eat hamburgers. They're trying to make a point and using hamburgers as their stepping stone. They think of hamburgers as fast food . It's just quick meal for people who love pickles. "Can I have mine without pickles?" They weren't around hamburgers in the 50's when fast food chains were just becoming popular and custom orders were hard to accommodate. We had no problem with pickles.

Well yeah, I get that you like pickles, and I'm not trying to say you shouldn't have pickles on your hamburger, I'm just saying I don't like pickles on mine. Can I please have a hamburger with no pickles?

Ursprungligen skrivet av OMGIHATEU:

It's more that this particularly vocal group has been doing this crap for a while, now, and it's starting to /really/ piss some of us off. We want them to stop trying to change hamburgers to suit their personal tastes. Next some people won't want ketchup, and I need ketchup on *my* hamburger.

Well you see, I tried to go to the store to buy some ground beef, but there were pickles in the ground beef. I picked them out, but even after I cooked the burgers they still tasted kinda like pickles, so I didn't really like them. Would it really be that hard to let people have the option of including pickles, rather than just putting them in by default? (Oh yeah, and I totally like ketchup on my burgers too, or sometimes barbecue sauce.)

I like burgers too, man. I just prefer them without ♥♥♥♥, which you all, and by all I mean you pickle lovers and haters; seem to love as a topping.