Shovel Knight: Treasure Trove

Shovel Knight: Treasure Trove

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Darkest King 8 ABR 2017 a las 12:05 a. m.
(SPOILERS) One thing bugs me...
So, I just finished Specter of Torment! And I love it completely.

There's just ONE thing that bugs me about the story, though...

... Shovel Knight was nowhere IN it.

In Shovel of Hope we know for a fact that he was there at the Tower of Fate on that tragic day when the tower collapsed with his beloved Shield Knight inside. He was there alongside her.

Surely he would've been there to see Donovan and Luan trying to get the cursed amulet?

It could've been an awesome tagteam battle, Donovan vs the Legendary Duo!

Like when you play Maverick Hunter X and your final boss as Vile is the X/Zero tag-team.

But, nothing. Not even a mention! It's like Shovel Knight didn't even exist, even though he was supposedly the most famous adventurer there ever was, right alongside Shield Knight.

An oversight on the part of Yacht Club Games, perhaps?
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ExcessiveSilk 11 ABR 2017 a las 12:09 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Chaotic Corner Soul:
I just found an important detail for Reize. When Reize first shows up he says something along the lines of "Uncle told me something shady was going on here. And when Evil is happening, I'm there!" Who's Reize's Uncle? Black Knight? Shovel Knight? One of the Order? It stands to reason that his Uncle is Black Knight as he was the next one to show up..
Wow ok missed that whole line guess it just didn't stick with me, Black Knight being his uncle is the best theory I have heard so far, and it seems a bit more likely then some of the other explanations.
SUPERISAAC20 11 ABR 2017 a las 9:34 a. m. 
... *brain explodes...again...for the third time...*YOU ARE DED
Chami 11 ABR 2017 a las 9:59 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Chaotic Corner Soul:
I just found an important detail for Reize. When Reize first shows up he says something along the lines of "Uncle told me something shady was going on here. And when Evil is happening, I'm there!" Who's Reize's Uncle? Black Knight? Shovel Knight? One of the Order? It stands to reason that his Uncle is Black Knight as he was the next one to show up..

Alternatively, Reize might have grown up with the stories of Luan and Donovan's adventures. Maybe before Luan and Donovan left for the tower, Donovan told Reize about how "shady" the tower was and Reize only went until he was just barely old enough to start adventuring himself. "Uncle" doesn't have to be familial.

Or freaking "Uncle" just refers to whoever took care of him growing up. He doesn't have to be an existing character.
Halfshell 11 ABR 2017 a las 10:08 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por medwinche:
Publicado originalmente por Chaotic Corner Soul:
I just found an important detail for Reize. When Reize first shows up he says something along the lines of "Uncle told me something shady was going on here. And when Evil is happening, I'm there!" Who's Reize's Uncle? Black Knight? Shovel Knight? One of the Order? It stands to reason that his Uncle is Black Knight as he was the next one to show up..

Alternatively, Reize might have grown up with the stories of Luan and Donovan's adventures. Maybe before Luan and Donovan left for the tower, Donovan told Reize about how "shady" the tower was and Reize only went until he was just barely old enough to start adventuring himself. "Uncle" doesn't have to be familial.

Or freaking "Uncle" just refers to whoever took care of him growing up. He doesn't have to be an existing character.
The quote is paraphrased. I need to start grabbing screenshots of these, I'll grab the exact quote when I can. To me it implies that whoever his Uncle is knew that someone in the Tower was recruiting for the Order. I don't think members of the general populace would know about the Order. At the most they might have felt an earthquake when the floor collapsed. Your scenario isn't impossible, its just that it would be a huge coincidence for Reize to decide now to explore the Tower. Its more likely that Black Knight mentioned the Tower and Donovan to another unknown character, who then mentioned it off hand to Reize. That could explain why Black Knight didn't seem to notice that Reize was there.
Última edición por Halfshell; 11 ABR 2017 a las 10:12 a. m.
Chami 11 ABR 2017 a las 10:23 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Chaotic Corner Soul:
The quote is paraphrased. I need to start grabbing screenshots of these, I'll grab the exact quote when I can. To me it implies that whoever his Uncle is knew that someone in the Tower was recruiting for the Order. I don't think members of the general populace would know about the Order. At the most they might have felt an earthquake when the floor collapsed. Your scenario isn't impossible, its just that it would be huge coincidence for Reize to decide now to explore the Tower. Its more likely that Black Knight mentioned the Tower and Donovan to another unknown character, who then mentioned it off hand to Reize. That could explain why Black Knight didn't seem to notice that Reize was there.

The exact quote is "Uncle said there's evil stuff going on in here. And when evil's afoot, Reize is on the rise!"

All it takes is a few strange noises and weird glowy lights coming from the tower to imply that something is going on. If Reize was the hero he strives to be, he would have successfully defeated the OoNQ after storming the tower. Reize also didn't know who the Enchantress was when he first saw her ("Hey Lady! My name's Reize. Are you here to help me beat these guys up?"). If Black Knight was going to warn Reize about anything, wouldn't the Enchantress be top priority?

If anyone has any connection, it should be Baz since he knew that the OoNQ was recruiting.
Halfshell 11 ABR 2017 a las 10:29 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por medwinche:
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Good point. Also remembered something from SK. Reize mistakes you for Black Knight. If they knew eachother well theres no way he would have made that mistake do to differences in voice or just the mere fact their armor is different.

Edit: Not impossible that Reize knew Black Knight when he was out of his armor though.
Última edición por Halfshell; 11 ABR 2017 a las 10:34 a. m.
SUPERISAAC20 11 ABR 2017 a las 10:32 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por medwinche:
Publicado originalmente por Chaotic Corner Soul:
The quote is paraphrased. I need to start grabbing screenshots of these, I'll grab the exact quote when I can. To me it implies that whoever his Uncle is knew that someone in the Tower was recruiting for the Order. I don't think members of the general populace would know about the Order. At the most they might have felt an earthquake when the floor collapsed. Your scenario isn't impossible, its just that it would be huge coincidence for Reize to decide now to explore the Tower. Its more likely that Black Knight mentioned the Tower and Donovan to another unknown character, who then mentioned it off hand to Reize. That could explain why Black Knight didn't seem to notice that Reize was there.

The exact quote is "Uncle said there's evil stuff going on in here. And when evil's afoot, Reize is on the rise!"

All it takes is a few strange noises and weird glowy lights coming from the tower to imply that something is going on. If Reize was the hero he strives to be, he would have successfully defeated the OoNQ after storming the tower. Reize also didn't know who the Enchantress was when he first saw her ("Hey Lady! My name's Reize. Are you here to help me beat these guys up?"). If Black Knight was going to warn Reize about anything, wouldn't the Enchantress be top priority?

If anyone has any connection, it should be Baz since he knew that the OoNQ was recruiting.
black knight didnt even know who the enchantress was though, because when he first sees the enchantress, he immediately notices that its shield knight,
*Yuki* 11 ABR 2017 a las 10:43 a. m. 
I think, main problem of specter of torment is that its way easier and shorter. I finished my 1st complete playthrough in 4, maybe 4.5 hours (statics say, that its 5, by I left game afk for a while) :/

I almost didnt die, and ever when did so - ressurected right where I've gone - thx to OP ressurection armor and healing curio. Bosses are jokes (except mechanic, which is kinda hard, if you managed to fall down), ever more than in shovel knight campaign. Levels are 2 ez either.

Talking about story - I though, there will be twist and not Donovan, but Reize's father became specter knight (just like: Donovan died, Reize's father got his hood for memories). Dunno why I though that. Maybe coz I wish it to be less obvious and linear. Whatever, its game for kids - its meant to be easy in every aspect ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Overall - specter of torment was way more fun to play, than main shovel knight campaign, due to freedom of movement and "slice and dice" style. But, sadly, fell short and easy. Just Imho
Última edición por *Yuki*; 11 ABR 2017 a las 10:44 a. m.
*Yuki* 11 ABR 2017 a las 10:46 a. m. 
Also, about ending. Didnt get, why he stopped fight after fall of Reize. Why didnt attack Enhantres? He could rekt her and only then ressurect Reize with power of locket.
Halfshell 11 ABR 2017 a las 10:50 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por *Yuki*:
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You may find this thread interesting: http://steamcommunity.com/app/250760/discussions/0/135513901701489240/
Its also about the game being too easy. As for why Specter Knight backed down, that was because the Enchantress was going to pour more magic into Reize, possibly killing him in the process and he didn't want Reize to suffer. Its also possible that the Enchantress would have destroyed the locket out of spite. From a meta perspective, they couldn't let Specter Knight kill the Enchantress as it breaks the continuity of the series.
Última edición por Halfshell; 11 ABR 2017 a las 10:52 a. m.
Darkest King 11 ABR 2017 a las 7:09 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Chaotic Corner Soul:
Publicado originalmente por *Yuki*:
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You may find this thread interesting: http://steamcommunity.com/app/250760/discussions/0/135513901701489240/
Its also about the game being too easy. As for why Specter Knight backed down, that was because the Enchantress was going to pour more magic into Reize, possibly killing him in the process and he didn't want Reize to suffer. Its also possible that the Enchantress would have destroyed the locket out of spite. From a meta perspective, they couldn't let Specter Knight kill the Enchantress as it breaks the continuity of the series.
Yeah. I think it's meant to be implied that the Enchantress was going easy on him and he didn't actually have the power to defeat her. Perhaps she had an advantage over him based on the fact that a lot of the power he has was given to him by her, so perhaps it's just not as effective against her as the purity of a Shovel swung through the air by a heart filled with justice!
Wolf 11 ABR 2017 a las 7:21 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por DJ Masterson:
Yeah. I think it's meant to be implied that the Enchantress was going easy on him and he didn't actually have the power to defeat her. Perhaps she had an advantage over him based on the fact that a lot of the power he has was given to him by her, so perhaps it's just not as effective against her as the purity of a Shovel swung through the air by a heart filled with justice!

Or the cleansing that a bomb can provide.
*Yuki* 12 ABR 2017 a las 6:46 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por DJ Masterson:
Publicado originalmente por Chaotic Corner Soul:
You may find this thread interesting: http://steamcommunity.com/app/250760/discussions/0/135513901701489240/
Its also about the game being too easy. As for why Specter Knight backed down, that was because the Enchantress was going to pour more magic into Reize, possibly killing him in the process and he didn't want Reize to suffer. Its also possible that the Enchantress would have destroyed the locket out of spite. From a meta perspective, they couldn't let Specter Knight kill the Enchantress as it breaks the continuity of the series.
Yeah. I think it's meant to be implied that the Enchantress was going easy on him and he didn't actually have the power to defeat her. Perhaps she had an advantage over him based on the fact that a lot of the power he has was given to him by her, so perhaps it's just not as effective against her as the purity of a Shovel swung through the air by a heart filled with justice!
but that makes no sence:
1. Before fight with Reize, he actually BEAT Enhantress. He couldnt do so, if he didnt have enough power.
2. Reize wasnt knight. At this point, she can just collect 8 random people and give them power. And it could be faster, than running around land, recruiting knights. It just make no sence.

Just mention, that whole ending makes no sence:
> Specter knight killed father of Reize, in order to get power.
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> He found, that Enhantres lied him about power
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> Instead of killing her and everyone around, he saved Reize.

What. The. ♥♥♥♥.
Whats point of follow words, said long time ago, if you already killed dude, you promised it? If he was blind with power - why did he go against Enhantres later, when he had enough time to think about it and reconsider his wishes? Overall:
WHY DID HE SAVE REIZE, INSTEAD OF FINISHING ENHANTRES? HE EVER KILLED HIS FATHER, IN ORDER TO GET THIS POWER. STORY SAYS, THAT DONOVAN WAS MALE, BUT WHY DID HE ALWAYS ACT LIKE GIRL RIGHT BEFORE MENSTRUATION? WHAT THE F*CK.

And, about "he couldnt kill Enhantress, coz of Shovel Knight". Ya, ya, but they could write story in different way. But, instead, we got what we got.
Its not bad dlc - its easier and shorter, but really fun to play. But this story... I literally facepalmed at the end.
Última edición por *Yuki*; 12 ABR 2017 a las 6:49 a. m.
Darkest King 12 ABR 2017 a las 7:54 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por *Yuki*:
Publicado originalmente por DJ Masterson:
Yeah. I think it's meant to be implied that the Enchantress was going easy on him and he didn't actually have the power to defeat her. Perhaps she had an advantage over him based on the fact that a lot of the power he has was given to him by her, so perhaps it's just not as effective against her as the purity of a Shovel swung through the air by a heart filled with justice!
but that makes no sence:
1. Before fight with Reize, he actually BEAT Enhantress. He couldnt do so, if he didnt have enough power.
When I say implied, I'm saying that the HP bar we see for the enchantress isn't the limit of her actual strength. It's just a measure of how much she'll tolerate fighting you.

Only her fight with Shovel Knight had her "true HP" on display.

Publicado originalmente por *Yuki*:
Just mention, that whole ending makes no sence:
> Specter knight killed father of Reize, in order to get power.
Sort-of, yes. He killed Luan in a fit of amulet-mind-controlled rage because Luan was going to try and stop him from taking the amulet, and the amulet wanted him to take it.

I repeat. The amulet. Wanted Donovan. To take it.

Publicado originalmente por *Yuki*:
> He found, that Enhantres lied him about power
That's not what he was mad about. He was mad when he found out that the Enchantress was Shield Knight. Why, you ask?

Remember during the memory scene that Shield Knight said she was at the tower to destroy the amulet. Donovan was skeptical, and claimed that Shield Knight was just lying so she could steal the amulet's power for herself.

Of course, she wasn't lying. The Amulet took her by force. But Specter Knight THINKS that she lied and took the amulet of her own accord to steal it's power.

Publicado originalmente por *Yuki*:
> Instead of killing her and everyone around, he saved Reize.
He didn't want to kill Reize, or anyone ELSE for that matter. The only person he had a real vicious grudge against was the Enchantress. He loves Reize (as a foster-son). Watch waaay past the credits and you'll see, he indulges in one last memory where Luan gives him a locket, a family heirloom, and tells Donovan that he thinks of him as family, and hopes Donovan will think of Reize as HIS family, too.

Donovan, on no uncertain terms, proudly remarks that he would lay down his life for that boy.

It's an incredibly heartwarming (and sad) tale if you pay attention to it.

If you're asking why he didn't kill the other Knights of the Order, again. He didn't have a grudge or a beef with any of them. They were just other dudes that he himself bullied into joining the evil side.

Publicado originalmente por *Yuki*:
What. The. ♥♥♥♥.
Whats point of follow words, said long time ago, if you already killed dude, you promised it? If he was blind with power - why did he go against Enhantres later, when he had enough time to think about it and reconsider his wishes?
He was mad with power only for a bit, because he was close to the Amulet and it was trying to reach out for a host. It probably drove him mad temporarily. Once it latched on to Shield Knight it didn't have that control over him and he went back to being himself.

So basically once the Amulet took Shield Knight Donovan stopped being a psychopath and he went on regretting everything he did. When the Enchantress offered to stave off Death for him in return for his service he only agreed because he didn't want to die. That's really it.

Publicado originalmente por *Yuki*:
Overall:
WHY DID HE SAVE REIZE, INSTEAD OF FINISHING ENHANTRES? HE EVER KILLED HIS FATHER, IN ORDER TO GET THIS POWER..
Again, the Amulet was controlling Donovan and this mind-control rage made him kill Luan. It wasn't Donovan's choice, in reality.

Also it was very clear why he saved Reize. Specter Knight cared about him. He obviously regrets having killed Luan (even though it WASN'T HIS FAULT), and he still wanted to keep his promise to Luan to look after Reize.

He had to spare the Enchantress because it was pretty much the deal on the table at the time. "Serve me or I'll make Reize do it". So Specter Knight chose to save Reize.

And that is all there is to it, really.
Última edición por Darkest King; 12 ABR 2017 a las 8:02 p. m.
Halfshell 12 ABR 2017 a las 7:59 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por DJ Masterson:
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Well written, I can't say I'm not impressed.
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