[SPOILERS] Polyjuice Potions and Paranoia

[What The Egad]

This is something that always bothered me when taking into consideration a magical spell as potent as giving you the ability to change your appearance into that of somebody else. Bigby, Snow White, Crane, and Buffkin have all just discovered that some troll managed to get her hands on a black market Glamour and used it impersonate a Woodlands official.

At which point why didn't anyone in the room give anyone else a second glance or even say anything about the potential that anyone of them or every one of them could be somebody else?!

I refer to this instance in the same respect as I had with how nobody gives anyone else a second glance after a similar discovery involving Polyjuice Potions in the Harry Potter series. When you have a magic spell that his that potent, it's a wonder you don't have as fearful an ordeal as was illustrated in The Thing or The Faculty.

For the most part, they ignore the fact that Crane walks briskly into their investigating Lily's body, advertising every which way for them to look the other way whenever they stumble upon the next clue. What's he been up to for the last few hours, hmm?

Now, if a local ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ (the game can state the word, but I can't write it on the game's discussion board) can get her hands on this Glamour (AKA, Polyjuice Potion) then why not just about anyone else? That would narrow Bigby's list of suspect to everyone in Fabletown including himself (you know, just in case they wanted to glamour themselves to look like him).

Where's the prevailing fear and mistrust at the prospect of this great unknown?

[MorningLightMountain]

The game suggests it was poorly constructed glamour as version of Snow was not perfect. I think the other implication was that they are not cheap either and was probably bought by her John and not Lilly herself.

[himmatsj]

Originally posted by MorningLightMountain:

The game suggests it was poorly constructed glamour as version of Snow was not perfect. I think the other implication was that they are not cheap either and was probably bought by her John and not Lilly herself.

Smith you mean?

[What The Egad]

Originally posted by MorningLightMountain:

The game suggests it was poorly constructed glamour as version of Snow was not perfect. I think the other implication was that they are not cheap either and was probably bought by her John and not Lilly herself.

Poorly constructed or not, it was enough to fool them initially but not upon closer inspection. Everyone thought it was Snow until Snow herself came back.

[What The Egad]

Originally posted by rat83_pl:

Anyway Crane seems to have an access to many spells including a memory wipe. Nobody questioned that? Hes definitely hiding sth, might be just his fascination with Snow but he put a lot of effort and time in this episode to hide sth. And what about his early massage from the ep1? Who knows what he was doing at that time? He has an access to mirror (in ep3 trailer he brokes it - to cover his tracks?) so he knows everything about tenats movements.

That one didn't bother me so much as it was clear that only the mundies had been affected by the spell while Bigby was left unaffected. As far as I'm concerned, that was the real Crane and there some Glamour Crane doing who-knows-what while everyone else looks the other way.

Considering the way Crane reacts when you turn to violence against whoever you're interrogating, I'm leaning towards thinking there's two Cranes (a Glamour Crane and a real Crane). It wouldn't make sense for him to try to stop you from inflicting harm on Woody or Dee and then later smash the Magic Mirror into pieces.

[BeastBox]

Originally posted by Red Potassium:

Originally posted by MorningLightMountain:

The game suggests it was poorly constructed glamour as version of Snow was not perfect. I think the other implication was that they are not cheap either and was probably bought by her John and not Lilly herself.

Poorly constructed or not, it was enough to fool them initially but not upon closer inspection. Everyone thought it was Snow until Snow herself came back.

Well, they thought the head was Snow. No one saw the body until Snow herself brought it back with the Toads.

[What The Egad]

Originally posted by BeastBox:

Originally posted by Red Potassium:

Poorly constructed or not, it was enough to fool them initially but not upon closer inspection. Everyone thought it was Snow until Snow herself came back.

Well, they thought the head was Snow. No one saw the body until Snow herself brought it back with the Toads.

They would have known because Snow herself had brought it back. They wouldn't even have needed to look at the body at that point to know. Bigby hadn't even thought of the possibility of a Glamour until Snow brought it up to him later.

Hell, it wasn't even until halfway into their inspection they realized the Glamour wasn't perfect anyway. When you get down to brass tacks, the Glamour is effective enough to warrant it fooling anyone at first glance.

Which brings me back to my original point--why didn't anyone make an internal investigation on this before sending everybody out to find a murderer who could potentially look like anyone?

In fact, why wouldn't Bigby have naturally assumed that potential upon finding the photo of Crane in the first place? It was convenient to find it at the crime scene to being with, along with everything else in that was left in that room.

[MorningLightMountain]

Originally posted by himmatsj:

Originally posted by MorningLightMountain:

The game suggests it was poorly constructed glamour as version of Snow was not perfect. I think the other implication was that they are not cheap either and was probably bought by her John and not Lilly herself.

Smith you mean?

No, a John. A slang term for a prostitute's client.

[What The Egad]

Originally posted by MorningLightMountain:

Originally posted by himmatsj:

Smith you mean?

No, a John. A slang term for a prostitute's client.

The name in the book was Mr. Smith.

[Arucard]

Let's just say it was John Smith and make everybody right?

-Regarding the blackmarket glamour-

The way that everyone reacts to the glamour while investigating Lilly's body is a bit strange to me. In one of the Book of Fables from chapter 1 it mentions blackmarket glamours and even says they're becoming more popular due to the high price of real ones. Yet everyone, including "Det." (always in quotes from now on) Wolf acts completely shocked at this revelation.

Also, this is another WTF moment for me, if anybody can make them and even a not so good one passes, why the hell does anyone fork out the money for the real thing? Is it like brand names, people would rather have an iPhone than a generic even if they are fundamentally the same?

Supporting the OP's theory, you're told that just about anyone could make their own as well, given the training and knowledge. It's not unfeasable that the killer could have a different one for each murder, or even be collecting personal items from victims (or anyone really) throughout the investigation. (just closed the case, it's that pig)

-Regarding the Two Crane Theory-

I won't discount the possibility of two Cranes but the fact that the photos seemed to have been unintentionally left behind (it was a bit harder to find than say, the story book) seems to suggest the Crane in that photo is legit. He was likely glamoured to begin with and removed it before the photos. I do agree however it seems way too convenient, and too early to know the real killer's identity.

As far as him getting upset when you use violence, it could be just him playing the part, he is still in charge after all and it might seem suspicious if he just stood there whether the real Crane or not. Plus Blubeard = Bad Cop, Crane = Good Cop, Bigby = Indecisive Cop.

-Regarding the title to this thread-

It's awesome, do you have a band? If not form one and name it that.

[What The Egad]

Originally posted by Arucard:

Let's just say it was John Smith and make everybody right?

-Regarding the blackmarket glamour-

The way that everyone reacts to the glamour while investigating Lilly's body is a bit strange to me. In one of the Book of Fables from chapter 1 it mentions blackmarket glamours and even says they're becoming more popular due to the high price of real ones. Yet everyone, including "Det." (always in quotes from now on) Wolf acts completely shocked at this revelation.

Also, this is another WTF moment for me, if anybody can make them and even a not so good one passes, why the hell does anyone fork out the money for the real thing? Is it like brand names, people would rather have an iPhone than a generic even if they are fundamentally the same?

Supporting the OP's theory, you're told that just about anyone could make their own as well, given the training and knowledge. It's not unfeasable that the killer could have a different one for each murder, or even be collecting personal items from victims (or anyone really) throughout the investigation. (just closed the case, it's that pig)

-Regarding the Two Crane Theory-

I won't discount the possibility of two Cranes but the fact that the photos seemed to have been unintentionally left behind (it was a bit harder to find than say, the story book) seems to suggest the Crane in that photo is legit. He was likely glamoured to begin with and removed it before the photos. I do agree however it seems way too convenient, and too early to know the real killer's identity.

As far as him getting upset when you use violence, it could be just him playing the part, he is still in charge after all and it might seem suspicious if he just stood there whether the real Crane or not. Plus Blubeard = Bad Cop, Crane = Good Cop, Bigby = Indecisive Cop.

-Regarding the title to this thread-

It's awesome, do you have a band? If not form one and name it that.

It wasn't just the photos that were left behind. I mean, everything including the dress, the apple, the tape, the wine bottle, the cigarette, the flowers...oh, and let's not forget the bed with the blood on it! Despite all this evidence, why would Crane decide that the body was the only thing worth moving? Hell, the envelope was about two feet from the apple! If it wasn't intentional, then I'd have to say the entire story is suffering from bad writing and making characters simply incredulous.