The Bioware Effect (AKA, Why Give Us Choices?)

[What The Egad]

I've played through Episode 2 a couple of times in order to experiment with story outcomes for this game as it advertises that its outcome is tailored to the choices I make. I suppose it is true, if taken literally, but as of this episode I'm lowering my expectation quite considerably in relation to what the extent of the differences are.

[SPOILERS]

There are no puzzles to solve in this game, or if there are the plot itself will soon resolve them for you as the series continues. All that's left for you is to fill in the details based on your choice-making. Ultimately, getting from one place to the next becomes more of a chore rather than an intriguing look into what amounts to a "different" playthough depending on the different choices you make along the way. Dialogue changes as to disposition, but seeing as how you get from point A to point B no matter what you in this game, it seems the moral of this fable is that the ends will always justify the means. The entire plot is tailored that way, so choosing violence over amnesty when trying to find out this and that from whoever you chose to capture at the Trip Trap Bar doesn't matter as far as the progression of events go. I call this the "Bioware Effect" as many Bioware games would also give you the illusion that somehow the choices you made actually mattered. In truth, it seems that going Paragon or Renegade with Bigby Wolf is merely the icing on the cake. Continuing to borrow from that metaphor, I'm being given the choice of flavoring my icing while the cake itself remains whatever has already been prepared by those who originally prepared it.

To be fair, the only real variety in choice-making comes in who you decide to capture at the end of Episode 1. However, you get Woody or Dee to spill the beans regardless of whether or not you choose violence or amnesty. So what is the point to choosing either one?

Fighting with Beast in Episode 2 would seem like a natural current of events if you lie to him for Beauty or treat him like a jerk in the elevator. However, having beast fight you after telling him the truth seems forced and calls into question whether or not telling the truth, lying, or simply staying out of it mattered at all in the first place if this fight was going to occur regardless of what you did.

I'll be honest in saying that I have not played through and discovered what happens if you don't take Snow along with you to the Trip Trap, although I'm fairly sure the outcome will be the same thing--Bigby will eventually be lead to the Puddin' and Pie and confront Georgie. am I right? Whether or not I am, I don't really care and I don't want to go through the chapter all over again just to find out.

Does anyone remember the game The Laura Bow: The Dagger of Amon Ra? It was a game that required actual detective work on the part of the player--the game was not keen on telling you where to look or leading you through what to do for the most part. Although the game is old by the standards of The Wolf Among Us, there were more puzzles and a lot more inventory and environment interaction. Sometimes, your character would die of making a wrong choice or movement concerning the environment.

I mention this game only because, in the game the identity of the murderer was not simply revealed to the player the end of the game. Instead, the player would asked a series of a questions in order to see how much attention the player paid to the ongoing events and pieced them together (including looking at evidence and talking to other characters). The game's end would be tailored to how well you answered those questions.

The Wolf Among Us is taking that entire situation and moving it backwards and the end of Episode 2 illustrates that point very well. Beauty basically answers all our questions for us, insultingly so I might add as only a complete idiot wouldn't be able to piece the evidence together based on the clues that are ever-so conveniently highlighted for us. Bigby even skeptically thanks Beauty for calling him such a great detective.

Everything in the crime scene matches the details in this book we found at the crime scene which means all the crimes he committed were done according the details in this book we found at the crime scene! Gee, what great work you do, Sheriff!

[END SPOILERS]

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yeah, I need to buy that "walking dead" game. only heard good things about it - I did play through episode 1 and loved it, but havnt bought it yet.

[Cpt Suspeito]

you're going to have good time with the game by the way, there will be momment where you will be like "what???? CMON!!!" but it's good times man.

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İlk olarak ShinoZn tarafından gönderildi:

you're going to have good time with the game by the way, there will be momment where you will be like "what???? CMON!!!" but it's good times man.

Yeah.
Only problem is... I've been thinking of picking up a ps4 and buying that "Might & Magic X" game on steam.

But if they ever put that game up on sale again for 6-7 euro (as they done multiple times before) I will pick it up.
And ofc also buying season two.

WIth that said, I really enjoy the fable world more than walking dead.
Hopefully this adventure with Bigby isnt the last in the fabletown.

[Cpt Suspeito]

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İlk olarak ShinoZn tarafından gönderildi:

you're going to have good time with the game by the way, there will be momment where you will be like "what???? CMON!!!" but it's good times man.

Yeah.
Only problem is... I've been thinking of picking up a ps4 and buying that "Might & Magic X" game on steam.

But if they ever put that game up on sale again for 6-7 euro (as they done multiple times before) I will pick it up.
And ofc also buying season two.

WIth that said, I really enjoy the fable world more than walking dead.
Hopefully this adventure with Bigby isnt the last in the fabletown.

if they made a season 2 for the walking dead, there will probably be a season 2 for the wolf among us, as there is a bit of a gape in story from this one and the comic.

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İlk olarak QuezcatoL! (SWE) tarafından gönderildi:

Yeah.
Only problem is... I've been thinking of picking up a ps4 and buying that "Might & Magic X" game on steam.

But if they ever put that game up on sale again for 6-7 euro (as they done multiple times before) I will pick it up.
And ofc also buying season two.

WIth that said, I really enjoy the fable world more than walking dead.
Hopefully this adventure with Bigby isnt the last in the fabletown.

if they made a season 2 for the walking dead, there will probably be a season 2 for the wolf among us, as there is a bit of a gape in story from this one and the comic.

I'm Swedish but have read a few issues. They could also make stories that wasnt about Bigby, however seeing how he is a detective and solve crimes it would make sense if they do.
Also, in the comic ... the girl, red rose faked her suicide for money. Bluebeard was innocent in the end.
And Crane, the perverted creep and traitor of Fabletown who was after cinderella was killed by Bigby in the end in Paris.


So already here I can see that the game isnt following the comic, beside attritbutes and personalities - which is great!

[What The Egad]

İlk olarak ShinoZn tarafından gönderildi:

First of all, it's only the Second Episode of a serie of 5, things will unfold based on your choices probably on chapter 3 as it did in the walking dead series that took their time to put my choices in effect.

Second, have you ever seen any kind of puzzle in the walking dead series? NO! so why in the hell would they put it in The wolf among us and completely uncaracterize all the series so far?

Third, the book you find is about the tales but with a mundy's versions of them, the snow white tale was on the middle of the book, so no, there is no point in taking the book and trying to figure it out if you don't have a pattern to what was going on since there is a lot if tales in that book, i worked as an investigator for some time, so i know what i'm talking about.

And Fourth, this is not a The Laura Bow: The Dagger of Amon Ra investigation game, this is a telltale and not an investigation game budy, it follows the exact formula of the walking dead but with fables, this is a story telling game with bits of investigation in it.

"only a complete idiot wouldn't be able to piece the evidence together based on the clues that are ever-so conveniently highlighted for us." there was no way for him to find the killer without the pictures, she just says that hes a good detective cuz he figured that the murderer made fake snow white play her role as snow white nothing else -_-'

"So what is the point to choosing either one?" maybe to decide wich kind of personality you want to have? man you need to really think of what you're talking about, telltale games where all about choices (no matter how insignificant), and personality build up.

Why would you quote my entire post and the proceed to quote me again the context of your own reply?

I stopped reading as soon as you mentioned this is "not an investigation game...."

Okay, think about that long and hard and tell me what Bigby has been doing this entire game.

[MorningLightMountain]

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İlk olarak ShinoZn tarafından gönderildi:

if they made a season 2 for the walking dead, there will probably be a season 2 for the wolf among us, as there is a bit of a gape in story from this one and the comic.

I'm Swedish but have read a few issues. They could also make stories that wasnt about Bigby, however seeing how he is a detective and solve crimes it would make sense if they do.
Also, in the comic ... the girl, red rose faked her suicide for money. Bluebeard was innocent in the end.
And Crane, the perverted creep and traitor of Fabletown who was after cinderella was killed by Bigby in the end in Paris.


So already here I can see that the game isnt following the comic, beside attritbutes and personalities - which is great!

Everything you are describing takes place around twenty years after the game.

Rose Red hasn't appeared although the episode two achievements did kind of suggested she was going to be in it. Bluebeard is innocent of that but not of the crimes that gives Bigby the reason to suspect him. Crane's death by Bigby occurs a long time after the game.

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I'm Swedish but have read a few issues. They could also make stories that wasnt about Bigby, however seeing how he is a detective and solve crimes it would make sense if they do.
Also, in the comic ... the girl, red rose faked her suicide for money. Bluebeard was innocent in the end.
And Crane, the perverted creep and traitor of Fabletown who was after cinderella was killed by Bigby in the end in Paris.


So already here I can see that the game isnt following the comic, beside attritbutes and personalities - which is great!

Everything you are describing takes place around twenty years after the game.

Rose Red hasn't appeared although the episode two achievements did kind of suggested she was going to be in it. Bluebeard is innocent of that but not of the crimes that gives Bigby the reason to suspect him. Crane's death by Bigby occurs a long time after the game.

Was the little mermaid ever in the comic? Forgot if she was or not.

[MorningLightMountain]

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İlk olarak MorningLightMountain tarafından gönderildi:

Everything you are describing takes place around twenty years after the game.

Rose Red hasn't appeared although the episode two achievements did kind of suggested she was going to be in it. Bluebeard is innocent of that but not of the crimes that gives Bigby the reason to suspect him. Crane's death by Bigby occurs a long time after the game.

Was the little mermaid ever in the comic? Forgot if she was or not.

No, the majority of the games cast are public domain characters but not ones that have featured in the comic.

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Was the little mermaid ever in the comic? Forgot if she was or not.

No, the majority of the games cast are public domain characters but not ones that have featured in the comic.

Wasnt the little mermaid, in HC Andersen story... ahum abandon by the prince in the end?
If I remember right she tried to kill him or his wife in anger and jealousy. It wasnt like the disney version at all.

I hope there wasnt a jealous stripper killing other women ;)

[MorningLightMountain]

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No, the majority of the games cast are public domain characters but not ones that have featured in the comic.

Wasnt the little mermaid, in HC Andersen story... ahum abandon by the prince in the end?
If I remember right she tried to kill him or his wife. It wasnt like the disney version at all.

I hope there wasnt a jealous stripper killing other women ;)

I've not read it. However it's available to read for free online. I believe there is a link on the TV tropes page.

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İlk olarak QuezcatoL! (SWE) tarafından gönderildi:

Wasnt the little mermaid, in HC Andersen story... ahum abandon by the prince in the end?
If I remember right she tried to kill him or his wife. It wasnt like the disney version at all.

I hope there wasnt a jealous stripper killing other women ;)

I've not read it. However it's available to read for free online. I believe there is a link on the TV tropes page.

Yeah dude, I think she turned into a killer.
I have some memory of it, this sweet mermaid went ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy in the end and her real anger/jealousy came out. wasnt there a witch who helped her with the murder?
Ofc Disney had to change that part in their story, just like "frozen" is all written about HC Andersen and about finding the kingdom of god and repent, which Disney censored away

But then again, its well known HC Andersen used to masturbate a lot to his fairy tales, so he was a bit sick in the head :)

[Cpt Suspeito]

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İlk olarak ShinoZn tarafından gönderildi:

First of all, it's only the Second Episode of a serie of 5, things will unfold based on your choices probably on chapter 3 as it did in the walking dead series that took their time to put my choices in effect.

Second, have you ever seen any kind of puzzle in the walking dead series? NO! so why in the hell would they put it in The wolf among us and completely uncaracterize all the series so far?

Third, the book you find is about the tales but with a mundy's versions of them, the snow white tale was on the middle of the book, so no, there is no point in taking the book and trying to figure it out if you don't have a pattern to what was going on since there is a lot if tales in that book, i worked as an investigator for some time, so i know what i'm talking about.

And Fourth, this is not a The Laura Bow: The Dagger of Amon Ra investigation game, this is a telltale and not an investigation game budy, it follows the exact formula of the walking dead but with fables, this is a story telling game with bits of investigation in it.

"only a complete idiot wouldn't be able to piece the evidence together based on the clues that are ever-so conveniently highlighted for us." there was no way for him to find the killer without the pictures, she just says that hes a good detective cuz he figured that the murderer made fake snow white play her role as snow white nothing else -_-'

"So what is the point to choosing either one?" maybe to decide wich kind of personality you want to have? man you need to really think of what you're talking about, telltale games where all about choices (no matter how insignificant), and personality build up.

Why would you quote my entire post and the proceed to quote me again the context of your own reply?

I stopped reading as soon as you mentioned this is "not an investigation game...."

Okay, think about that long and hard and tell me what Bigby has been doing this entire game.

actualy what i was saying was that this game is not an investigation game, it has investigation elements and all but its not an "oh ♥♥♥♥ i screwd up the evidence" kind of game, even if you miss something you end up on the right track, this is a point and click game no and investigation genre.

Think about that long and hard and tell me what Telltale have been doing in their entire serie of games.

[Cpt Suspeito]

İlk olarak MorningLightMountain tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak QuezcatoL! (SWE) tarafından gönderildi:

I'm Swedish but have read a few issues. They could also make stories that wasnt about Bigby, however seeing how he is a detective and solve crimes it would make sense if they do.
Also, in the comic ... the girl, red rose faked her suicide for money. Bluebeard was innocent in the end.
And Crane, the perverted creep and traitor of Fabletown who was after cinderella was killed by Bigby in the end in Paris.


So already here I can see that the game isnt following the comic, beside attritbutes and personalities - which is great!

Everything you are describing takes place around twenty years after the game.

Rose Red hasn't appeared although the episode two achievements did kind of suggested she was going to be in it. Bluebeard is innocent of that but not of the crimes that gives Bigby the reason to suspect him. Crane's death by Bigby occurs a long time after the game.

you're wrong here is a quote of the actual coment on websites about the development of the game "The Wolf Among Us is a video game developed by Telltale Games. It chronologically takes place before the comic series and is a decision designed game."

[mushy]

I love comics. I bought TWD because I loved the comic. I didn't know this comic existed until this game so I am just getting to them. The same fking rules that apply to spoiling a game apply to the comics they are based on. I don't care how long they have been out some of us are just discovering them because of this game.


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