Ending discussion, character inconsistencies (spoilers)

[Sven]

I killed the crooked man and the ending brings out my biggest complaint of this game.

I understand this type of adventure game that has to limit the possibilties, and it's expensive and complicated to make branching conversations, but holy crap.

Many of the characters complaints are very inconsistent with their attitude earlier in the game. Many of which were looking for blood, then in the ending were complete pacifists. Some of them are obvious crooks covering their tracks while others were totally coming from left field and Bigby had maybe 3 chances to defend himself. Most the options also did not accurately display what his answer really was going to be.

It just feels like Bigby became a punching bag so unnecessarily, it made very little sense.

[TopBadger]

You forget that Bigby has history the ending is about his redemption and showing that he's really changed when you killed crooked man you threw all that away and showed everyone that he's still the beast he was and can't change.

[themadhatter114]

But obviously he can change, because it's a prequel to the decade+ long comic series of which Bigby is essentially THE hero of Fabletown, with few approaching the depth of his service to the Fable community.

And, yes, the trial was a joke. The Butcher was a freaking accomplice - no way should Bigby or Snow have allowed him on the "jury." Same with Auntie Greenleaf. Both of them were harboring fugitives and aiding their escape from justice.

Beast and Beauty weren't really directly involved in any criminal activity, so they get a pass. But they all but asked Bigby to kill the Crooked Man. He has no reason to listen to their sanctimonious BS.

Fabletown isn't a bastion of due process led by the honorable Snow White. Bigby is an ace detective who gets confessions because he's thorough and has virtually unlimited powers of sensory perception. Snow White is a power-mad administrator who throws her weight around to decide punishments herself, based only on the say-so of Bigby Wolf. There are no jury trials in Fabletown.

[motoleo]

Why kill the crooked man? We didn't have anything on him!

[gombicek]

Originally posted by motoleo:

Why kill the crooked man? We didn't have anything on him!

Except attempted murder of sheriff.Thrice. Extortion, slavery and countles other crimes. And obstruction of law proceedings and so on. We have plenty on him.

[motoleo]

It's more organized crime than anything. In the end, they could not get any evidence that he called the hit. There's evidence of the contrary actually.

[gombicek]

But he attacked you. And tried to kill you even at the very end after the trial. If he deservers to die is another question but he was guilty.

[themadhatter114]

Crooked Man was in the car when Crane was abducted when everyone tried to kill Bigby. Everyone was looking to him for guidance, which he gave. He admitted harboring Crane and obstructing justice. He resisted arrest.

We have Georgie's statements that were made just before he died.

And, even if Nerissa had ended up telling the truth, there was plenty to allow the inference that the order was made.

There is no evidence to the contrary other than the Crooked Man's denials.

He says he doesn't sanction murder, but he has no problem having his goons threaten and shoot Fabletown officials. He has no problem siccing Bloody Mary on Bigby.

The only thing about the murders that the Crooked Man didn't like was that the evidence wasn't disposed of properly and Bigby got involved.

[Sven]

Originally posted by gombicek:

But he attacked you. And tried to kill you even at the very end after the trial. If he deservers to die is another question but he was guilty.

Originally posted by themadhatter114:

But obviously he can change, because it's a prequel to the decade+ long comic series of which Bigby is essentially THE hero of Fabletown, with few approaching the depth of his service to the Fable community.

And, yes, the trial was a joke. The Butcher was a freaking accomplice - no way should Bigby or Snow have allowed him on the "jury." Same with Auntie Greenleaf. Both of them were harboring fugitives and aiding their escape from justice.

Beast and Beauty weren't really directly involved in any criminal activity, so they get a pass. But they all but asked Bigby to kill the Crooked Man. He has no reason to listen to their sanctimonious BS.

Fabletown isn't a bastion of due process led by the honorable Snow White. Bigby is an ace detective who gets confessions because he's thorough and has virtually unlimited powers of sensory perception. Snow White is a power-mad administrator who throws her weight around to decide punishments herself, based only on the say-so of Bigby Wolf. There are no jury trials in Fabletown.

This is my point. His defense was so obvious, "I have been defending my life for days against the crooked man", "you begged me to "deal with him," and "he is almost directly responsible for the corruption of the mayor, forcing you into debt and slavery." That is all Bigby had to say, but there was no option for it. It was like the dev just changed the whole story arc to punish you.

[BT]

Originally posted by motoleo:

Why kill the crooked man? We didn't have anything on him!

Attempt of murder on a Judge. Sentence: DEATH !

[MB Ghost]

Originally posted by BlueTrin:

Originally posted by motoleo:

Why kill the crooked man? We didn't have anything on him!

Attempt of murder on a Judge. Sentence: DEATH !

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Bigby ain't foken Judge Wolf up in here.

[motoleo]

Being in the room as Bigby, I took the opportunity to assert my authority over the Fables since at that point no one had been taking him seriously and didn't think they had to answer to the law.

I was actually a little bit sympathetic to the crooked man because it seemed like he was more just testing the waters to see what he could get away with and also he's manipulative. There's only so much he can do.

[Sven]

Originally posted by motoleo:

Being in the room as Bigby, I took the opportunity to assert my authority over the Fables since at that point no one had been taking him seriously and didn't think they had to answer to the law.

I was actually a little bit sympathetic to the crooked man because it seemed like he was more just testing the waters to see what he could get away with and also he's manipulative. There's only so much he can do.

That was one of the reasons I decided to kill him, I was afraid he would manipulate his way out of punishment. Which is also a defense Bigby could have used.

[BeastBox]

Originally posted by Kenobi:

This is my point. His defense was so obvious, "I have been defending my life for days against the crooked man", "you begged me to "deal with him," and "he is almost directly responsible for the corruption of the mayor, forcing you into debt and slavery." That is all Bigby had to say, but there was no option for it. It was like the dev just changed the whole story arc to punish you.

This is why I hate games with any sort of morality system; it really just boils down to the dev's morality and his ham-fisted interpretation of it. I knew by the end of episode 4 that the final episode would be the Crooked Man's way versus the Business Office's way, but a two-year-old could see he was nothing more than a mobster so it just falls flat. :/

[NoNameSteak]

Right, the Crooked Man likes to act all sanctimonious like he was always trying to take care of the little guys. Judge the man by the company he keeps. He had the Tweedles on pay roll, who beat up the Sheriff and other Fables throughout the game. They're no "law". He hired the frickin' Jersey Devil and Georgie, two of the most obvious scumbags in the history of the world. And there was an insurmountable amount of proof that he had Crane embezzling money from the Fabletown government. I mean, just come on. Plus, there was the phone call where they threatened to kill Beauty and Beast, and all the attempts made on Bigby's life by The Crooked Man's team. All the evidence points to him, and there is even evidence suggesting forced labor and forced prostitution! How could anyone defend this guy?

In a world not gone mad, ripping his head off would be the only logical thing to do.

[Demoman?]

It was a weird experience. The only character whom's reaction to it I liked was the one that beat the ♥♥♥♥ out of me in the first episode. All these other people I'd been helping out were just flipping their ♥♥♥♥.