(Spoiler) Why is Faith pretending to be you know who?

[Batman]

Ok so it's pretty obvious that it is Faith pretending to be Nerissa at the end, but why would she do that? seems like she wanted to be free at all cost but what else did she do? her power is to hide in plain sight (donkey skin coat ), maybe she pretented to be the crooked man at some point and ordered the kills, i mean the real CM wouldn't be stupid enough to actually think he could talk himself out of this kind of mess or maybe he is just stupid and should have tried to kill bigby lol.

[TheMercenary]

Originally posted by Lion:

If it was Nerissa (the little mermaid) why would bigby remember bufkin saying : "She had the power to hide her true beauty" (referring to donkeyskin ability) at the end?

Yeah, that's the exact reason why I am on team "Faith is alive". I think everything else points to Nerissa being behind it, but the single fact that Faith was known as the master of disguise is too great to ignore, and I think that TellTale would definitely want people to pick up on the significance of her still wearing a "skin" to hide, just not a donkey skin anymore...

[Ця Вечірка-Відстій]

It was long time ago, when I was played episode 1, so I may be wrong, but as far as i remember, when we MET "Faith", she refuses to say her name, saying "These lips are sealed", but when we meet Nerissa, she says her name quite easily. I can't connect it with the theory so far, but this fact may let you to evolve the theory on your own.

UPD: Also, I'm feeling weird about the fact, that Faiths head in first episode was brought by someone, who leaped over the fence, and hurt himself. But I've not seen any signs of that on anyone.

UPD2: Also there are many posts on Reddit and on Telltale Community, people think, that real Faith may be dead long time ago before ep1 even started, and Faith we met in ep1 was glamoured Nerissa. This is quite not true, in my opinion, because the "head was put here for about an hour, the blood is still wet"

[FiddlerAnt]

To add an extra layer of proof that it was Narissa pretending to be Faith, Think about the first time we meet Narissa. She is naked on a stripper pole in front of Georgie. There is no physical way that she could be concealing a glamour on her (unless she went the really kinky route). Thus proof it was not faith glamoured as Narissa but the other way around

Originally posted by dash.galaxy:

Au contraire, it's Nerissa who pretended to be Faith. Think it through. Do you really think there was some weird body snatchers crap going on where Nerissa died with Faith's face and Faith wore Nerissa's face? Why would that be necessary? How would that have come to pass?

Nerissa was telling the truth at the end. She dropped a lot of names and if the names weren't accurate, her whole rant would be meaningless and confusing. Nerissa told Georgie about Lily and Faith's plan to run away. Georgie killed the girls. Nerissa took Faith's form so she could draw out Bigby and get him to meet her and know her and that Faith was a prostitute. That way, when her head showed up, he'd know where to start looking.

The rest of the game Nerissa was Nerissa and Faith was dead.

[Kibernetik]

Originally posted by Fiddler:

To add an extra layer of proof that it was Narissa pretending to be Faith, Think about the first time we meet Narissa. She is naked on a stripper pole in front of Georgie. There is no physical way that she could be concealing a glamour on her (unless she went the really kinky route). Thus proof it was not faith glamoured as Narissa but the other way around

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Your whole post should be stickied to the top of the general discussion forums.

[NoNameSteak]

Originally posted by Fiddler:

To add an extra layer of proof that it was Narissa pretending to be Faith, Think about the first time we meet Narissa. She is naked on a stripper pole in front of Georgie. There is no physical way that she could be concealing a glamour on her (unless she went the really kinky route). Thus proof it was not faith glamoured as Narissa but the other way around

Originally posted by dash.galaxy:

Au contraire, it's Nerissa who pretended to be Faith. Think it through. Do you really think there was some weird body snatchers crap going on where Nerissa died with Faith's face and Faith wore Nerissa's face? Why would that be necessary? How would that have come to pass?

Nerissa was telling the truth at the end. She dropped a lot of names and if the names weren't accurate, her whole rant would be meaningless and confusing. Nerissa told Georgie about Lily and Faith's plan to run away. Georgie killed the girls. Nerissa took Faith's form so she could draw out Bigby and get him to meet her and know her and that Faith was a prostitute. That way, when her head showed up, he'd know where to start looking.

The rest of the game Nerissa was Nerissa and Faith was dead.

Hi, Devil's Advocate here. What do we know about the cheap glamours, though? Presumably it could still be in her locker while she's dancing or something, right? Rachel/Greenleaf wasn't holding her glamour and it was still working.

[NoNameSteak]

Originally posted by TheMercenary:

Originally posted by Lion:

If it was Nerissa (the little mermaid) why would bigby remember bufkin saying : "She had the power to hide her true beauty" (referring to donkeyskin ability) at the end?

Yeah, that's the exact reason why I am on team "Faith is alive". I think everything else points to Nerissa being behind it, but the single fact that Faith was known as the master of disguise is too great to ignore, and I think that TellTale would definitely want people to pick up on the significance of her still wearing a "skin" to hide, just not a donkey skin anymore...

Red herring, meant to set you off on the wrong trail, that's all it is.

[Kernest]

Originally posted by TheMercenary:

Originally posted by Lion:

If it was Nerissa (the little mermaid) why would bigby remember bufkin saying : "She had the power to hide her true beauty" (referring to donkeyskin ability) at the end?

Yeah, that's the exact reason why I am on team "Faith is alive". I think everything else points to Nerissa being behind it, but the single fact that Faith was known as the master of disguise is too great to ignore, and I think that TellTale would definitely want people to pick up on the significance of her still wearing a "skin" to hide, just not a donkey skin anymore...

I'd like to throw this nifty bit of trivia to the pot: The scene in episode 2, when you first go to Puddin N Pie and meet "Nerissa", is named "Skin"

[raremonkey]

Originally posted by dash.galaxy:

Au contraire, it's Nerissa who pretended to be Faith. Think it through. Do you really think there was some weird body snatchers crap going on where Nerissa died with Faith's face and Faith wore Nerissa's face? Why would that be necessary? How would that have come to pass?

Nerissa was telling the truth at the end. She dropped a lot of names and if the names weren't accurate, her whole rant would be meaningless and confusing. Nerissa told Georgie about Lily and Faith's plan to run away. Georgie killed the girls. Nerissa took Faith's form so she could draw out Bigby and get him to meet her and know her and that Faith was a prostitute. That way, when her head showed up, he'd know where to start looking.

The rest of the game Nerissa was Nerissa and Faith was dead.

I am not sure.

1) Lets say Nerissa took Faith's form, but how she get wolf's attention? Its because woodsman trying to rob Faith(according to what woodsman told wolf at trip trap bar if i remember correctly) and made a lot of noises which led frog to call wolf, so how Nerissa got woodsman trying to rob her in the first place?

2) Lets say Nerissa took Faith's form using donkey skin. What Dee/Dum was trying to find at Faith's place and frog's place? It has to be donkey skin right?(which later you found at frog's place) Which means CM knows that already, than why CM didnt give the order to kill Nerissa?(or who ever make CM feels suspicious)

3) Lets say Nerissa took Faith's form using black market magic, where could she get it? It cant be from CM and It cant be from 13th floor witch, so it has to from Greenleaf, than why Greenleaf didnt say anything about it?

4) Nerissa told you she cut her leg while she was trying to put the head in front of you door. I think she is lying, because she doesnt have any cut while she is dancing on the stage(naked). If she bought black market magic to hide it, where could she get it, again from Greenleaf, why Greanleaf didnt say anything about it?

[Kernest]

Originally posted by raremonkey:

1) Lets say Nerissa took Faith's form, but how she get wolf's attention? Its because woodsman trying to rob Faith(according to what woodsman told wolf at trip trap bar if i remember correctly) and made a lot of noises which led frog to call wolf, so how Nerissa got woodsman trying to rob her in the first place?

2) Lets say Nerissa took Faith's form using donkey skin. What Dee/Dum was trying to find at Faith's place and frog's place? It has to be donkey skin right?(which later you found at frog's place) Which means CM knows that already, than why CM didnt give the order to kill Nerissa?(or who ever make CM feels suspicious)

3) Lets say Nerissa took Faith's form using black market magic, where could she get it? It cant be from CM and It cant be from 13th floor witch, so it has to from Greenleaf, than why Greenleaf didnt say anything about it?

4) Nerissa told you she cut her leg while she was trying to put the head in front of you door. I think she is lying, because she doesnt have any cut while she is dancing on the stage(naked). If she bought black market magic to hide it, where could she get it, again from Greenleaf, why Greanleaf didnt say anything about it?

At the Trip Trap Woody was talking about Red Riding Hood, but the reason he and Faith got into fighting was because she said she didn't recognize him and he refused to pay her.

The donkeyskin probably doesn't have transformative abilities, but they could just use glamour tubes, and of course they got the glamour tubes from Auntie Greenleaf, but she just carved them and someone picked them up and transported them. I assume all a glamour tube needs to work is that the user puts the necessary items inside and closes it, so you wouldn't need three different glamour tubes for different glamours. Remember that we never find Lily's human glamour tube, only the glamour tube that turns her into Snow, I assume she can use the same tube for both purposes.

[raremonkey]

Originally posted by Kernest:

At the Trip Trap Woody was talking about Red Riding Hood, but the reason he and Faith got into fighting was because she said she didn't recognize him and he refused to pay her.

So you mean Nerissa first took Faith's form than tell Lily she will took Lily's shift, after that when Nerissa met Woody she told Woody she dont recognize him and he has to pay purposely to make Woody mad? If this is the case, than Nerissa must be planning the whole thing even before Georgie killed Faith, but how could Nerissa be so sure that Georgie will kill Faith? Otherwise it must be the real Faith at the begining.

Originally posted by Kernest:

but she just carved them and someone picked them up and transported them. I assume all a glamour tube needs to work is that the user puts the necessary items inside and closes it

OK, that make sense

[hydral360]

OK... So any of you 'Nerissa was Faith' people care to explain why the magic mirror in episode 1 says Faith's whereabouts are hidden with powerful magic and his 'lips are sealed.' If the real Faith was already dead and therefore not wearing the ribbon why say this? He even says it's not the phrasing he would have chosen. Plus we know he doesn't do this with all dead people as he will show Faith's father the Old King's corpse.

Also, Bigby learns nothing of value the first time he meets Faith. Rather he learns everything from other sources. Faith's head-> Faith's Ring->Faith Name->Faith Husband->Georgie Etc. NONE of it has to do with anything that happened before that. Nerissa/Faith lies to you every single time you speak to her. Why would this time be different?

[Kernest]

Originally posted by raremonkey:

So you mean Nerissa first took Faith's form than tell Lily she will took Lily's shift, after that when Nerissa met Woody she told Woody she dont recognize him and he has to pay purposely to make Woody mad? If this is the case, than Nerissa must be planning the whole thing even before Georgie killed Faith, but how could Nerissa be so sure that Georgie will kill Faith? Otherwise it must be the real Faith at the begining.

Actually I myself believe that we met the original Faith in the opening scene, and that Nerissa was Faith in glamour the whole time, I just pointed out the misconceptions in your post.

Originally posted by raremonkey:

Originally posted by Kernest:

but she just carved them and someone picked them up and transported them. I assume all a glamour tube needs to work is that the user puts the necessary items inside and closes it

OK, that make sense

That of course is just speculative, we don't have actual knowledge on how the glamour tubes work, and I could be wrong as well, since I just remembered Lily had the contact info for AG herself, so it seems that at least she visited AG personally, but on the other hand they had the whole system with the boxes, that Beast delivered, that I believe contained glamour tubes among other assorted (magical) items...

[Cpeerson2020]

Anyone else notice Faith wasn't wearing her ring in Episode 1 in the first encounter?

[Kernest]

Originally posted by hydral360:

OK... So any of you 'Nerissa was Faith' people care to explain why the magic mirror in episode 1 says Faith's whereabouts are hidden with powerful magic and his 'lips are sealed.' If the real Faith was already dead and therefore not wearing the ribbon why say this? He even says it's not the phrasing he would have chosen. Plus we know he doesn't do this with all dead people as he will show Faith's father the Old King's corpse.

Also, Bigby learns nothing of value the first time he meets Faith. Rather he learns everything from other sources. Faith's head-> Faith's Ring->Faith Name->Faith Husband->Georgie Etc. NONE of it has to do with anything that happened before that. Nerissa/Faith lies to you every single time you speak to her. Why would this time be different?

Well I believe Faith was Nerissa, but it's already been figured out, that the mirror couldn't show Lily's location either, even though she was already dead. This happened in episode 2, when you go back to the business office, if you talk to Toad first and then ask the mirror.

I'd nearly forgotten about the ring myself... I suppose regardless of whether you believe Nerissa was Faith or Faith was Nerissa, you can assume that "Nerissa" put it there, to help Bigby to figure it out.

[gombicek]

But if it was Faith glamoured as Nerissa, then why she is so keen on telling the crooked man her name is Nerissa? I think that the Nerissa at the witching well was really Nerissa.

Also the Faith's head we find in the first ep. was cut off recently, so it's posible we've met the real Faith at the Woody's apartment.

Lily had contact for AG probably becuase she needed glamours to make herself into Snow White for Crane. SOmething that even Georgie didn;t know probably.