Faith = [spoiler]?

[2008bluepullover]

I just wanted to ask something to all decent TWAU and Fables fans out there. At the end of Ep. 5, Nerissa walked off repeating or even "quoting" Faith? Does anyone have any ideas or theories on if this means anything, or if they are connected? I looked it up, and there are some theories that Faith glamoured herself as Nerissa, or vice versa. Or, that they were the same person. I love the series, and the comic, but the cliffhanger left me confused. What does anyone think about this?

[-3xA'Lu©κy the disappearing act]

I think Nerissa is Faith glamored. I've read most of the comics myself, but neither character is in the comics and I'm not sure which direction Telltale is planning to go in.

There's even a compelling theory on the hub pointing to Bloody Mary being all these women.

So yeah :) I'm quite confused myself.

[GrizBe]

The two main theories both say that the girl we meet at the start 'Faith', is the same girl we meet at the end 'Nerissa'.

However, 'The Nerissa Theory' explaination is that we never actually meet Faith, and that its Nerissa glamoured that we meet at the start of the game. 'The Faith Theory' however says that we never meet Nerissa and that it was Faith glamoured all along.

Personally, I believe the Nerissa theory as its the explaination with the least plot holes. For the Faith Theory to work, Nerissa had to have been glamoured as Faith at some point because Georgie admits straight out that he killed Faith. As yet, no-one has come up with a single good excuse as to why Nerissa would be glamoured as Faith when she was killed.

Ergo, following the logic of the game and what we see and find out in it, the Nerissa theory is the much more likely of the two. Even if simply it has less things wrong with it.


As for the Bloody Mary theory.... that was quite easily disproved by the fact Mary can't change her appearence to look like someone else, and in the scene outside the club where Bigby first meets Mary and fights the Tweedles, Nerissa pops up in the background while Mary is going towards the car.

[RGA]

My guess is that the Faith bigby met at the beginning of the game was Nerissa in Gamour. I think she was trying to get Bigby's attention, and when she somewhat did she left the already dead head at his doorstep.
It's possible that the escape plan going south took place even before the Woodsman incident.

[Zeldun]

Personally, I think that they made it pretty obvious that Faith was murdered in Episode 1. I think Telltale just added that in as a tease maybe, or maybe it could have been Faith =/

Either way, I let her go. And I was glad I made that choice too because Bigby reaches into his pocket right after and lights a cig like he does in the opening for Episode 1 =D. I thought that kinda made it come full circle

[GrizBe]

Originally posted by Mr.Goodkat:

Personally, I think that they made it pretty obvious that Faith was murdered in Episode 1. I think Telltale just added that in as a tease maybe, or maybe it could have been Faith =/

As said, thats where the 'Faith is alive' theory falls down. Georgie is 100% sure he killed her as he says in ep5. Vivian is also sure she's dead. If Nerissa was really Faith, why would they believe they've killed her? There isn't a goods explaination to get around that yet. Plus, why leave Lawrence? We know from the notes she left she still cares for him despite their troubles, so at the end when she's free of Crooked man and everything, why forget about him and just leave?

It'd be so much neater if Faith was just Faith and Nerissa was just Nerissa... but the whole tease of them acting the same sparked the whole 'they're the same person' bit.

[Amythyst]

Georgie killed the real Faith... and to get Bigby's attention, the real Nerissa glamoured herself to look like Faith and talked to Bigby (after Faith was already dead). Then left the head of the real Faith at the door of Bigby's place to make sure he would investigate... That makes the most sense to me, but I'm still kinda blurry as to why she was bickering with the Woodsman...

Ahh my brain! I hope there's a season 2 xD

[GrizBe]

@Amy: The note you find in Georgies club. Lily had asked Faith to cover for her with her regular (That being Woody). That ties in with the 'Faith' we meet being Nerissa, as the real Faith would have known about the note and that she was covering for Lily. With it being Nerissa disguised, as she tells us at the end, she went looking for Lily at her regular appointment. Not knowing Faith was meant to be covering for her, would explain the fighting.

[Amythyst]

That makes a lot of sense, thanks! But I went back and played through the game again and I noticed that Bloody Mary did the whole 2 fingered "See ya around" thing just like Faith ... Does that mean Mary is somehow connected with Faith? So confused! We should get a season 2 with unexplained things like that, the Farm, the 13th Floor witches, the actual mayor, and so on.

[Lajkos]

Originally posted by GrizBe:

The two main theories both say that the girl we meet at the start 'Faith', is the same girl we meet at the end 'Nerissa'.

However, 'The Nerissa Theory' explaination is that we never actually meet Faith, and that its Nerissa glamoured that we meet at the start of the game. 'The Faith Theory' however says that we never meet Nerissa and that it was Faith glamoured all along.

Personally, I believe the Nerissa theory as its the explaination with the least plot holes. For the Faith Theory to work, Nerissa had to have been glamoured as Faith at some point because Georgie admits straight out that he killed Faith. As yet, no-one has come up with a single good excuse as to why Nerissa would be glamoured as Faith when she was killed.

Ergo, following the logic of the game and what we see and find out in it, the Nerissa theory is the much more likely of the two. Even if simply it has less things wrong with it.


As for the Bloody Mary theory.... that was quite easily disproved by the fact Mary can't change her appearence to look like someone else, and in the scene outside the club where Bigby first meets Mary and fights the Tweedles, Nerissa pops up in the background while Mary is going towards the car.

Is it possible to "force" a glamour on another fable?

[GrizBe]

Originally posted by Lajkos:

Is it possible to "force" a glamour on another fable?

In the comics, there is magic that permanently changes a person into a different form. (They turn 3 giants into the new 3 little pigs after the origional 3 are killed). However, the subject of the magic is aware of it happening to them, so it would be impossible to disguise Nerissa as Faith without her knowledge.

Plus, such magic is extremely expensive, and would be waaayyy beyond the level of the already expensive black market glamours we see in game.

[Lajkos]

Originally posted by GrizBe:

Originally posted by Lajkos:

Is it possible to "force" a glamour on another fable?

In the comics, there is magic that permanently changes a person into a different form. (They turn 3 giants into the new 3 little pigs after the origional 3 are killed). However, the subject of the magic is aware of it happening to them, so it would be impossible to disguise Nerissa as Faith without her knowledge.

Plus, such magic is extremely expensive, and would be waaayyy beyond the level of the already expensive black market glamours we see in game.

True. But Faith could have planted a glamour tube on Nerissa (if it's possible). And if she did that just before Georgie killed the Faith glamourd Nerissa (if that's the case), than he wouldn't listen to her anyway and think she just tried to deflect blame. Doubt that he would suspect that she was involuntary glamoured.

[NecroMaster]

Originally posted by Lajkos:

Originally posted by GrizBe:

In the comics, there is magic that permanently changes a person into a different form. (They turn 3 giants into the new 3 little pigs after the origional 3 are killed). However, the subject of the magic is aware of it happening to them, so it would be impossible to disguise Nerissa as Faith without her knowledge.

Plus, such magic is extremely expensive, and would be waaayyy beyond the level of the already expensive black market glamours we see in game.

True. But Faith could have planted a glamour tube on Nerissa (if it's possible). And if she did that just before Georgie killed the Faith glamourd Nerissa (if that's the case), than he wouldn't listen to her anyway and think she just tried to deflect blame. Doubt that he would suspect that she was involuntary glamoured.

Wouldnt they have found the glamour on Nerissas body the same way they found the glamour on Lilly.

[Blackheart]

Urrgh, spoilers much? I know the game has been out a while but how about editing the thread's title at least, OP?

[GrizBe]

Originally posted by Wilson the Gentleman Scientist.:

Wouldnt they have found the glamour on Nerissas body the same way they found the glamour on Lilly.

Pretty much this. With the black market glamours, we're shown they have to be close to the body for them to work.

Plus, as shown when Aunty Greenleaf changes back from her glamour, its a very noticable magical effect, so extremely unlikely to do it to someone without them noticing.

Not to mention the hair. Faith had black hair, Nerissa red hair. I think that given Faiths hairstyle, with the hair down over one eye, Nerissa would notice that her long red hair is suddenly short and black.

[Lajkos]

Originally posted by Wilson the Gentleman Scientist.:

Originally posted by Lajkos:

True. But Faith could have planted a glamour tube on Nerissa (if it's possible). And if she did that just before Georgie killed the Faith glamourd Nerissa (if that's the case), than he wouldn't listen to her anyway and think she just tried to deflect blame. Doubt that he would suspect that she was involuntary glamoured.

Wouldnt they have found the glamour on Nerissas body the same way they found the glamour on Lilly.

Not sure. Aunty Greenleaf's glamour for when she pretended to be a child was on her desk not on her person.

And as far as we know, they may never have found Nerissa's/Faith's body. It's said that doctor Swineheart has what is presumed to be her body. But we never get to see it, or have it confirmed that it is in fact her body.
Also Faith and Nerissa's body probably looked the same in a lot of ways. So the galmour only needed to stay active untill they dropped the head down the witching well (if they did, don't really get to know that afaik).