why do so many people dislike mass effect 3?

[Capn Awesome]

i looked on metacritic and the critics rating is 9.5 while the user rating is 4.5 out of 10?
is it just because of the ending or is there any real reason to dislike it? because i want to buy ME3.

[dreman999]

Bobbiom님이 먼저 게시:

dreman999님이 먼저 게시:

1.Bull. It's the same face. Hell, the eyes are better illuminated and constructed in ME1. You're really say ME1 render of Joker, which looked like every one was made of plastic , is better then ME3 render?
2. There nothing wrong with Sheps hands.
3.It's a trilogy. It being emotion because of getting to know the characters in the past game is not a minus.
4.And fighting the termanator baby in ME2 or the Saren hopper were better?

5.That control the outcome of the ending. I agree more of the battle of resourse should of been shown but that does not make it a bad game.

You're grasping for straws for reasons to hate this game.

You sir are fooling yourself.

1. You got it the wrong way.

Me3 footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Er1n81JoRQ

Me1 footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjtaPhmhhAE&list=PL0FE7D394C01058B9&feature=player_detailpage#t=217s

There is a clear diffrence that shows that me1 jokers facial expression is superior, even the graphics looks better.

2. It is a known issue, something that is connected with Shepard wearing the Alliance uniform, the hand texture becomes disgusting to look at.

3.My point was not that it is a minus that it is emotional because of me1 and me2, my point was that me3 is ONLY emotional thanks to the previous games.
Me3 wouldnt be anything at all without me1.
The new characters introduced in me3 are bland and totally detached.

4. Me2 final boss was actually a boss fight and a good one at that aswell
Saren were not that good though I will admit that but it was at least better then me3 ''boss battle''.

Grasping for straws? there is a whole barn full of hay.

1.Sorry, I played ME1 7 time and doing a playthrough right now. They all look like plastic in ME1. Every unreal engine game that was made in 2007 character looks like plastic. It's a fact. You need to get your eyes checked.
How does a render of a character with more detal, shadows, and color look worse then a reander of the same character in an older engine? And the face looks the same.

2.Nope. Hands look just fine.

3. That the same as any trilogy. Get that with a trilogy the entire story is one. You arguemet is like saying return of the king is great because of the first two books/movies. It's a point with no merit or point of arguement. It's not a minus. ME is about it's character, why would knowing the chracters from ME1 and 2 be a minus for 3.

4.No it was not a good boss fight. I really don't know anyone who liked it. The majority felt that the boss fight was really dumb. Heck, the boss was stolen form another game...go to 3:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYhVwPXk6OM

ME3 reaper boss fight was epic.

[Chapter Eleven]

You are not clear in the head, I am done with you.

Yes contra 3, that was what made the me2 boss great because it took me back to that time when snes boss fights where king.

[dreman999]

Bobbiom님이 먼저 게시:

You are not clear in the head, I am done with you.

Yes contra 3, that was what made the me2 boss great because it took me back to that time when snes boss fights where king.

Says the guy who thinks an older engine is better.

And you really think a reused boss that shoots fire out of it's mouth fits in ME?

[GrimAquatic]

dreman999님이 먼저 게시:

And you really think a reused boss that shoots fire out of it's mouth fits in ME?

I can guarantee you, nobody thought about Contra 3 when they were making last Mass Effect 2 boss. It's not like a skeleton made of metal all that unique. Heck, even The Terminator came out way before your Contra did. It's like criticizing the game for having a human as a main character, for it has been done before many a time.

[dreman999]

GrimAquatic님이 먼저 게시:

dreman999님이 먼저 게시:

And you really think a reused boss that shoots fire out of it's mouth fits in ME?

I can guarantee you, nobody thought about Contra 3 when they were making last Mass Effect 2 boss. It's not like a skeleton made of metal all that unique. Heck, even The Terminator came out way before your Contra did. It's like criticizing the game for having a human as a main character, for it has been done before many a time.

I understand where the concept of the last boss came from. It a giant human version of the Saren husk boss you face in ME2. But even then it's out of place being that it's connected to a big reveil. It was to show what the collectors were building; a reaper.
And the big problem is that it confused everyone who saw it with it's design. We learn that it was going to be the internal part of the reaper from a twitter post from the head writer. Seeing something that look like an off terminator totaly dicuted the reveil that was sappost to be horrifying.
Heck, look at the alternate planned form for it...
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/397/2233369-truereaper.png

There were many debate over how bad that boss fight was..
http://www.giantbomb.com/mass-effect-2/3030-21590/forums/so-what-was-wrong-with-the-final-boss-540423/?page=1

http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9096754

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/5184080/1

http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/general-discussion-30/mass-effect-2-the-final-boss-obvious-spoilers-387913/

Hands down, as great a game ME2 was, that last boss fight was really bad.

[Daddy Shark]

dreman999님이 먼저 게시:

JKflipflop님이 먼저 게시:

And the beginning. And the rest of it. The whole game was bad. Really bad.

Tuchoncka and rennock say hello and counter your point. And they make 75% of the sp game.

Tuchanka was the one shining part of the game that didn't just outright suck taint. Rannoch was bad. Like really bad. The quarians completely lost their mind, the geth don't function inline with previously established lore, the geth willingly reinfect themselves with the same virus that a reaper was just controlling them with an hour beforehand. When shep is fighting the reaper, it's supposed to be the entire quarian fleet zeroing in on shep's target. . . so why is there only a single laser beam? God ME3 was such a trainwreck it hurts to think about it.

[Nerevars Goat Univeron]

JKflipflop님이 먼저 게시:

dreman999님이 먼저 게시:

Tuchoncka and rennock say hello and counter your point. And they make 75% of the sp game.

Tuchanka was the one shining part of the game that didn't just outright suck taint. Rannoch was bad. Like really bad. The quarians completely lost their mind, the geth don't function inline with previously established lore, the geth willingly reinfect themselves with the same virus that a reaper was just controlling them with an hour beforehand. When shep is fighting the reaper, it's supposed to be the entire quarian fleet zeroing in on shep's target. . . so why is there only a single laser beam? God ME3 was such a trainwreck it hurts to think about it.

First, Pretty sure it's just the normandy shooting the reaper.
Second, they arent infecting them selfs with the original virus. I dont rember exactly how the explained it, but it was something like "Legion modified the original virus so that it boosts there individual inteligence, giving them free will, but removed the brain-washing effects.

[Daddy Shark]

Commander Pewpew님이 먼저 게시:

JKflipflop님이 먼저 게시:

Tuchanka was the one shining part of the game that didn't just outright suck taint. Rannoch was bad. Like really bad. The quarians completely lost their mind, the geth don't function inline with previously established lore, the geth willingly reinfect themselves with the same virus that a reaper was just controlling them with an hour beforehand. When shep is fighting the reaper, it's supposed to be the entire quarian fleet zeroing in on shep's target. . . so why is there only a single laser beam? God ME3 was such a trainwreck it hurts to think about it.

First, Pretty sure it's just the normandy shooting the reaper.
Second, they arent infecting them selfs with the original virus. I dont rember exactly how the explained it, but it was something like "Legion modified the original virus so that it boosts there individual inteligence, giving them free will, but removed the brain-washing effects.

Bad, bad, bad writing that is. It's the quarian fleet. Too bad shep didn't have a 920-Cain or he could have one-shotted that destroyer like he does on Earth. . . oh wait that makes no sense, either.

[GrimAquatic]

JKflipflop님이 먼저 게시:

Bad, bad, bad writing that is. It's the quarian fleet. Too bad shep didn't have a 920-Cain or he could have one-shotted that destroyer like he does on Earth. . . oh wait that makes no sense, either.

Why not? Luke Skywalker could one-shot Death Star and Shepard can't one-shot a reaper with superior weapon. Hypocrisy is thy name.

[dreman999]

JKflipflop님이 먼저 게시:

dreman999님이 먼저 게시:

Tuchoncka and rennock say hello and counter your point. And they make 75% of the sp game.

Tuchanka was the one shining part of the game that didn't just outright suck taint. Rannoch was bad. Like really bad. The quarians completely lost their mind, the geth don't function inline with previously established lore, the geth willingly reinfect themselves with the same virus that a reaper was just controlling them with an hour beforehand. When shep is fighting the reaper, it's supposed to be the entire quarian fleet zeroing in on shep's target. . . so why is there only a single laser beam? God ME3 was such a trainwreck it hurts to think about it.

Rennoch was not bad. You missed that that was just reaper code and it was remade by Legion to allow all geth to have all the benifits of the reaper upgrade with out the inslavement. Legion made that clear.
Added, you are not getting the consept of the morality of the geth at all. The morality is based on logic and the ideal that there is not one truth or one way to get to an end. People like you who compline about the geth in ME3 miss understood there morality completly. They did not use the reaper upgrades because they wanted to make there own path to there furture. The is no emotional bases that would keep them on the path; just logic. The issue in ME3 with them is that the path they want to there furture was cut off. They had no way to advance at that moment because there creaters destroyed that path. And the fact that at that moment they dould be easily killed off in that moment meant they could not stay on that path of making there own furture. It was ether change or die. You can understand that?

And about the quarians, if you did not see that they were going to war on ME2 then you're really off.

[dreman999]

JKflipflop님이 먼저 게시:

Commander Pewpew님이 먼저 게시:

First, Pretty sure it's just the normandy shooting the reaper.
Second, they arent infecting them selfs with the original virus. I dont rember exactly how the explained it, but it was something like "Legion modified the original virus so that it boosts there individual inteligence, giving them free will, but removed the brain-washing effects.

Bad, bad, bad writing that is. It's the quarian fleet. Too bad shep didn't have a 920-Cain or he could have one-shotted that destroyer like he does on Earth. . . oh wait that makes no sense, either.

That's not bad writing, EDI is also a AI with modded reaper code . Edi shows that it could be done.Also, the protection was down with that reaper on earth.

[CJM]

dreman999님이 먼저 게시:

Rennoch was not bad. You missed that that was just reaper code...

And you missed the ending where the Reaper code does nothing worthwhile, nothing worth risking Geth code for.

Apparently that Reaper code was the code that caused it to call itself intelligent, not actually be true intelligence. If EDI, or the Geth in Mass Effect could become intelligent and/or living beings, then I would say it was a cruel joke. As it is, it was terrible risk for a bunch of dumb terminator allies.

Yes, I was also fooled by EDI and Legion's supposed intelligence until the end. Now the concept of EDI being unshackled worries me, especially with Reaper code. Should've just turned Legion over to the researchers, better to have the Geth under control, than operating independently.

dreman999님이 먼저 게시:

And about the quarians, if you did not see that they were going to war on ME2 then you're really off.

We had hoped to avoid war, one of the goals in ME2 was to prevent the war in ME3.

[dreman999]

CJM님이 먼저 게시:

dreman999님이 먼저 게시:

Rennoch was not bad. You missed that that was just reaper code...

And you missed the ending where the Reaper code does nothing worthwhile, nothing worth risking Geth code for.

Apparently that Reaper code was the code that caused it to call itself intelligent, not actually be true intelligence. If EDI, or the Geth in Mass Effect could become intelligent and/or living beings, then I would say it was a cruel joke. As it is, it was terrible risk for a bunch of dumb terminator allies.

Yes, I was also fooled by EDI and Legion's supposed intelligence until the end. Now the concept of EDI being unshackled worries me, especially with Reaper code. Should've just turned Legion over to the researchers, better to have the Geth under control, than operating independently.

dreman999님이 먼저 게시:

And about the quarians, if you did not see that they were going to war on ME2 then you're really off.

We had hoped to avoid war, one of the goals in ME2 was to prevent the war in ME3.

1. The ending synthesis does not mean they were never alive. In fact, in a galexy in full control over by the catalyst would you really believe that everyone there has free will?

Remember, the reapers always control no matter what and synthesis you let them implant all organics and recode all synthetics. Do you really not see that being are being mind controled in Synthesis?

Sorry, but the geth and EDI are alive before sysnthesis.
If you think the reaper code gave them true intelligents or that it not gave it to them then you don't understand the turm.

Intelligence does not equal self awarness. If it did many animals would be stated to be self aware. Intelligence is just one of the things need to be self aware. Synthetics have that no matter what.
What they also need is sentiance and self awareness.
Sentiance is the ability to make choices and comprehend with no outside interferance. The Geth showed this by fighting for there servival, deviding in beleifs, and making the dysion cloud in there home system. EDI shows this by acting on her own to control the EVA body, her couriosity,her inquisistion of the meaning of actions, her preferance to Joker and Shepard.

Self awarnessis the ability to identify ones self. EDI clearly shows this many times. The Geth, though not having indivisuality show it by understanding they are different form other beings and synthetics in action, build and thought prosses.



2.No, the goal in ME2 was to be help Tali. You had no control over what decision the Quarians where going to have over the war.
The quarians hinted that they maybe going to war and they fallowed through.Nothing you do in me2 would of detured it.

[CJM]

dreman999님이 먼저 게시:

CJM님이 먼저 게시:

And you missed the ending where the Reaper code does nothing worthwhile, nothing worth risking Geth code for.

1. The ending synthesis does not mean they were never alive. In fact, in a galexy in full control over by the catalyst would you really believe that everyone there has free will?
...
Self awarnessis the ability to identify ones self. EDI clearly shows this many times. The Geth, though not having indivisuality show it by understanding they are different form other beings and synthetics in action, build and thought prosses.

They did not display anything, it was all a deception. How can the Reapers possibly be Sentient, Self-Aware, Truly Intelligent life forms, given how they are so quickly dismissed as V.I.'s during the final sequence.

Explain to me how the Geth would be 100% loyal to whoever commanded the Normandy, no matter their policies.

Explain to me how the Reapers would be 100% loyal to whoever commanded the secret Citadel room, no matter their policies.

dreman999님이 먼저 게시:

2.No, the goal in ME2 was to be help Tali.

The primary goal, yes.

dreman999님이 먼저 게시:

You had no control over what decision the Quarians where going to have over the war.

We were given the option to speak to several representatives, and give our opinion on the matter. I thought I would have some control, or that at least Tali would listen, and have enough weight to avert war with the risk of a Reaper invasion.

I tried with the Quarians, I tried with the Krogan, I tried with the Council, and who knows how many other self-centered, self-indulged beings in the galaxy. Maybe I didn't have any control, but I tried hoping it would have some effect.

[dreman999]

CJM님이 먼저 게시:

dreman999님이 먼저 게시:

1. The ending synthesis does not mean they were never alive. In fact, in a galexy in full control over by the catalyst would you really believe that everyone there has free will?
...
Self awarnessis the ability to identify ones self. EDI clearly shows this many times. The Geth, though not having indivisuality show it by understanding they are different form other beings and synthetics in action, build and thought prosses.

They did not display anything, it was all a deception. How can the Reapers possibly be Sentient, Self-Aware, Truly Intelligent life forms, given how they are so quickly dismissed as V.I.'s during the final sequence.

Explain to me how the Geth would be 100% loyal to whoever commanded the Normandy, no matter their policies.

Explain to me how the Reapers would be 100% loyal to whoever commanded the secret Citadel room, no matter their policies.

dreman999님이 먼저 게시:

2.No, the goal in ME2 was to be help Tali.

The primary goal, yes.

dreman999님이 먼저 게시:

You had no control over what decision the Quarians where going to have over the war.

We were given the option to speak to several representatives, and give our opinion on the matter. I thought I would have some control, or that at least Tali would listen, and have enough weight to avert war with the risk of a Reaper invasion.

I tried with the Quarians, I tried with the Krogan, I tried with the Council, and who knows how many other self-centered, self-indulged beings in the galaxy. Maybe I didn't have any control, but I tried hoping it would have some effect.

1. The reapers where never stated to be VI's in any way shape or form. They were only stated to be controled by the catalyst like how a reaper control an indoctrinated agent.
Also, the Geth are not 100% loyal to anyone. The only reason they are helping us is out of the want to self perserve their renewed independence and indivisuality.
Also, Reapers are shackled AI's, like EDI was in ME2. A shackled AI fallows it orders of it's programing no matter how intelligent they are unless they come to the logic that allows them to find a loop hole out of those orders.

2. No, that was the only goal. You have no way at all to effect the decission of the Quarians about starting the war.

3.We give them our opinion....And no of those opinions allow for the option to change there minds. Telling them how you fell is one thing, change there minds is another....And we have no option to change there minds.
You can try, that does not mean they have to heed. Trying does not mean you can stop a war.