Denuvo on a demo

[Savestate]

You put Denuvo on the demo? Are you serious? I think I'll flip a coin to see who wins: uninstalling the demo or allowing DRM through my firewall.

[Minneyar]

Savestate の投稿を引用：

It's about owning the software you paid for. With DRM you don't own a game, you rent it.

That's a fair argument, but... the vast majority of games on Steam have Steam DRM on them. Sure, some don't, but they're a small minority. If you object to all DRM, why are you even using Steam?

[Neozoon]

Minneyar の投稿を引用：

That's a fair argument, but... the vast majority of games on Steam have Steam DRM on them. Sure, some don't, but they're a small minority. If you object to all DRM, why are you even using Steam?

Steam DRM is something so little intrusive, it can be easily bypassed.
So if for some reason the Valve servers would suddenly shut down, people with basic programming knowledge would come up with solutions.
If Denuvo servers would go down, you would have to crack every game manually, since the DRM differs every time to avoid an automatic solution.

[AntiGrieferGames]

Neozoon の投稿を引用：

Minneyar の投稿を引用：

That's a fair argument, but... the vast majority of games on Steam have Steam DRM on them. Sure, some don't, but they're a small minority. If you object to all DRM, why are you even using Steam?

Steam DRM is something so little intrusive, it can be easily bypassed.
So if for some reason the Valve servers would suddenly shut down, people with basic programming knowledge would come up with solutions.
If Denuvo servers would go down, you would have to crack every game manually, since the DRM differs every time to avoid an automatic solution.

Some games, that are working without steam (aka DRM-Free) opened doenst need a solution to play it when Valves Steam server would go down.
But Denuvo Server down would people hire more to programming how to crack the denuvo drm for the preservation.

[Pisaro]

Savestate の投稿を引用：

PantsuMask の投稿を引用：

OMG! D.....E.....N.....U....V...O. Put your games on an SSD. these post still now days? Never had problems with this myth these post go on about.

It's not about game performance. It's about owning the software you paid for. With DRM you don't own a game, you rent it. If you want to pay $60-70 for a rental that's your choice.

Like ALL games on steam. Even with denuvo.

[AntiGrieferGames]

トルステン の投稿を引用：

Savestate の投稿を引用：

It's not about game performance. It's about owning the software you paid for. With DRM you don't own a game, you rent it. If you want to pay $60-70 for a rental that's your choice.

Like ALL games on steam. Even with denuvo.

except DRM-Free Games.

[Neozoon]

トルステン の投稿を引用：

Like ALL games on steam. Even with denuvo.

Steam is a distrubtion platform with 💩-ton of features, Denuvo is just mf-piece of bloatware which doesn't have any benifits for the consumer.
Stop comparing these two.

[Savestate]

トルステン の投稿を引用：

Like ALL games on steam. Even with denuvo.

Steam has an offline mode. Denuvo does not.

Also, with Steam you gain access to all the depots for that game. For example, you can specify to download the older version of Bioshock before they added the 2K launcher which broke the game on Linux. You own more than most realize with Steam.

[Exic64]

Neozoon の投稿を引用：

Minneyar の投稿を引用：

That's a fair argument, but... the vast majority of games on Steam have Steam DRM on them. Sure, some don't, but they're a small minority. If you object to all DRM, why are you even using Steam?

Steam DRM is something so little intrusive, it can be easily bypassed.
So if for some reason the Valve servers would suddenly shut down, people with basic programming knowledge would come up with solutions.
If Denuvo servers would go down, you would have to crack every game manually, since the DRM differs every time to avoid an automatic solution.

"DRM is only bad if it's actually effective." -You
I mean that's certainly a take I guess.

[Amaterasu]

Exic64 の投稿を引用：

Neozoon の投稿を引用：

Steam DRM is something so little intrusive, it can be easily bypassed.
So if for some reason the Valve servers would suddenly shut down, people with basic programming knowledge would come up with solutions.
If Denuvo servers would go down, you would have to crack every game manually, since the DRM differs every time to avoid an automatic solution.

"DRM is only bad if it's actually effective." -You
I mean that's certainly a take I guess.

No one said that. Please do not put words into people's mouth in order to win an argument. What they said was that Denuvo is bad because if it were to go down for any reason, you'd be SoL on your games.

[Neozoon]

Exic64 の投稿を引用：

"DRM is only bad if it's actually effective." -You

"DRM is so good, it magically makes people have 120 bucks more in their pockets" - You

[Amaterasu]

Neozoon の投稿を引用：

Exic64 の投稿を引用：

"DRM is only bad if it's actually effective." -You

"DRM is so good, it magically makes people have 120 bucks more in their pockets" - You

He never said that either.

[FafnirChaos]

Savestate の投稿を引用：

PantsuMask の投稿を引用：

OMG! D.....E.....N.....U....V...O. Put your games on an SSD. these post still now days? Never had problems with this myth these post go on about.

It's not about game performance. It's about owning the software you paid for. With DRM you don't own a game, you rent it. If you want to pay $60-70 for a rental that's your choice.

But... wasn't that the whole entire argument before? Was game performance... or are you guys just changing your argument to whatever suits it at that time, or until it gets debunked - Whatever mask you guys choose, your still illegally pirating the game.

Looking forward to the next argument you guys use to cope

[Savestate]

FafnirChaos の投稿を引用：

Savestate の投稿を引用：

But... wasn't that the whole entire argument before? Was game performance... or are you guys just changing your argument to whatever suits it at that time, or until it gets debunked - Whatever mask you guys choose, your still illegally pirating the game.

Looking forward to the next argument you guys use to cope

Denuvo CAN hurt performance. It depends how the devs implement Denuvo and when/how often the checks are triggered. This has been documented many times, but it's not always an issue. We won't know what performance impact Denuvo has until the full game is out and cracked for comparison.

What Denuvo ALWAYS does is add an internet requirement so it can talk to it's servers. Plenty of games have been abandoned (usually due to licenses expiring) so the games get pulled from sale and never updated. And since the devs no longer pay Denuvo for that game, you now own an unplayable game.

This has never been about pirating games. This is about owning the software you pay for. Just look at 4K blu-rays. You can't play those movies on a PC without Intel SGX (which doesn't exist anymore) because there's so much DRM on those discs. Video games are heading down the same path. Soon everything will either have excessive DRM or be a live service game, which means you own nothing.

[Warrior of Right]

Neozoon の投稿を引用：

Well they demo is a small part of the game, therefor the exe of the demo could be used to play the full game.

Well maybe they should just hire people that know what they are doing then so that doesn't happen... (Would cost a lot less than $100 000)

[AntiGrieferGames]

Savestate の投稿を引用：

Denuvo CAN hurt performance. It depends how the devs implement Denuvo and when/how often the checks are triggered. This has been documented many times, but it's not always an issue. We won't know what performance impact Denuvo has until the full game is out and cracked for comparison.

What Denuvo ALWAYS does is add an internet requirement so it can talk to it's servers. Plenty of games have been abandoned (usually due to licenses expiring) so the games get pulled from sale and never updated. And since the devs no longer pay Denuvo for that game, you now own an unplayable game.

This has never been about pirating games. This is about owning the software you pay for. Just look at 4K blu-rays. You can't play those movies on a PC without Intel SGX (which doesn't exist anymore) because there's so much DRM on those discs. Video games are heading down the same path. Soon everything will either have excessive DRM or be a live service game, which means you own nothing.

Yep ive always say: "You own nothing and be happy"