Difference between ladder, stair and stone stair?

[Darelius]

Exept from the cost and appearance, is there a difference between Ladder, Stairs atc?
Do Dwarfs use a Stair faster than a ladder? or a stone stair faster than a wooden stair?

...DX

[Darke]

Publicado originalmente por Darelius:

Exept from the cost and appearance, is there a difference between Ladder, Stairs atc?
Do Dwarfs use a Stair faster than a ladder? or a stone stair faster than a wooden stair?

...DX

Yes. Wooden ladders are the only ones that can be burned. Speeds are something like wooden=x1, stone=x1.5, metal=x2; and the special ones in the Lonely Mountain DLCs, the copper-ish one is x2.5, and the steel one is x1.5.

Pretty sure things like stone columns get a x1.5 movement speed climbing bonus too.

This is after the speed multiplier for the climbing ability too, so you can get your dwarves zooming around.

[Deleorr]

There is also a new staircase(update 2023)
staircase=x1.3

[Darke]

Publicado originalmente por Deleorr:

There is also a new staircase(update 2023)
staircase=x1.3

Yeah, I forgot about that. I don't really know what the point of it is though since it's way more expensive (planks and nails) then the stone ladder (just two stone, of which you have near infinite of!), and it still burns.

Maybe if it were non-burnable it would be worth the effort to make them, but I usually end up with stone ladders before I have enough spare planks to build the wooden one.

I'm not sure even making the stone one more expensive by requiring a H-style pattern of stone (7 used instead of 2) would even incentivize using the new staircase, but, err... I guess this is not really on topic. :)

[Darelius]

Thanks, so its worrth to build stone stairs...
Okay, but WHERE i find thoodse numbers?
Not Ingame
Not inm the aold, nearly useless wiki on fandom...
Why its not ingame? *sniff*


...Dx

[Darke]

Publicado originalmente por Darelius:

Thanks, so its worrth to build stone stairs...
Okay, but WHERE i find thoodse numbers?
Not Ingame
Not inm the aold, nearly useless wiki on fandom...
Why its not ingame? *sniff*

Because it's a ~10 year old game; with ~10 year old design decisions; that also was designed to work on ~10 year old tablet computers. As someone who was using and developing for 2015 era android/ios device at the time the restrictions were horrible compared to the PC; so, yeah, I think some of the design decisions even then were bad on PC because of their "mobile as well as PC" focus.

So as far as finding out the details, I do things... differently, but the simple option is when you run the game, one of the options you can chose is "Launch game editor". If you select different options in the "Package" menu, and use the "Items Editor..." in the "Tools" menu, you can select different "Block"; this is the different ladder types and the like. Somewhere in the "building blocks properties" menu there is the "is ladder" property; that shows the "ladder speed rate" variable.

I can probably provide more details, but this is more in the "modding"/workshop side of thing and requires understanding XML so it's a little more complex I guess?

[mike]

Publicado originalmente por Darke:

Yes. Wooden ladders are the only ones that can be burned.

That's not true, all of the ladders can be burnt by lava fire.

Btw all the ladder speed ratio can be checked in game editor, by clicking the ladder and then "block" tab, there is a field called "ladder speed ratio".

[stylez]

Publicado originalmente por mike:

Publicado originalmente por Darke:

Yes. Wooden ladders are the only ones that can be burned.

That's not true, all of the ladders can be burnt by lava fire.

Btw all the ladder speed ratio can be checked in game editor, by clicking the ladder and then "block" tab, there is a field called "ladder speed ratio".

There's a difference between lava and fire, though. Lava heat basically destroys everything as far as I've seen, with no way to prevent or stop it. Dragons and the goblin king on his wyvern can set fire to your base, far from the lava, at which point you need to order dwarves to extinguish it before it destroys anything.

[Darke]

Publicado originalmente por mike:

Publicado originalmente por Darke:

Yes. Wooden ladders are the only ones that can be burned.

That's not true, all of the ladders can be burnt by lava fire.

Lava isn't fire. This is to protect against dwarves with flamethrowers, or the fireball staff; both of those weapons are completely unusable if you're using wooden ladders and get enemies inside your base (or even near the entrance for flamethrowers). Along with attacks from wyverns and the dragons in the Temples DLC, but for those you can mostly just replace the wooden ladders near the entrance rather than everywhere.

[mike]

I mean that lava can burn every ladder, even the metal or stone one. And yes, it burns.

[Darke]

Publicado originalmente por mike:

I mean that lava can burn every ladder, even the metal or stone one. And yes, it burns.

But that doesn't matter, the only things that matter for burning are things marked with fire=, like this:

data/blocks.xml:    <block name="ladder" file="gfx\level_tiles\craft_constructions\ladder" extract="4" build="1" through="true" stayon="true" resource="ladder" crack="false" ontop="true" properties="ladder=1,weather_through,wooden,narrow,no_chain_crash,fire=fire_vertical,editor=build" pak="">

The fire= flag allows things to be set alight, and then the fire can burn things adjacent to it in the prescribed method (which for ladders is only up and down).

None of the stone or metal ladders have this set so you don't need to worry about them. Nothing else burns and continues to burn until you tell the dwarves to extinguish the fire; which is why it's important to avoid the wooden ladders.

[stylez]

Publicado originalmente por mike:

I mean that lava can burn every ladder, even the metal or stone one. And yes, it burns.

It has an animation of burning, but it's not the same kind of burning as from fire.