Hallo,

mit Clickteam Fusion 2.5 schafft ihr es, ein simples Spiel, in ein paar Stunden zu entwickeln.
Dennoch erfordert es eine programmiererische Logik den einzelnen Elementen ihre Funktionen zuzuweisen und untereinander zu verknüpfen. Des Weiteren erfordert Clickteam Fusion 2.5 eine Einarbeitung um die ganzen Features sinnvoll zu nutzen. Somit sollte keiner erwarten innerhalb von zwei Stunden ein komplexes Spiel auf die Beine zu stellen.

Wer allerdings gute Ideen hat und diese ohne höhere Programmiersprachen zu nutzen (jedoch die nötige Logik und das nötige Verständnis besitzt) umsetzen mag, der ist hier richtig aufgehoben.

Sollte jemand eine Idee haben, jedoch alleine keine Möglichkeit, Zeit oder Lust haben, der darf mich gerne anschreiben……. (Ich bin jetzt einfach mal so frech) :D

Ich kann Clickteam Fusion 2.5 nur empfehlen….
……Daumen hoch!!!


Grüße
ThoDo

ist der Nachfolger von Multimedia Fusion 2, was eine erweiterte Version von The Games Factory war. Die Funktionen wurden erweitert und man kann auch seine alten in MMF oder GF erstellten Spiele in das Programm laden. Hier muss man aber beachten, dass viele Bugs gefixt sind, und einige Funktionen, die man früher mit Bugs realisiert hat demnach nicht mehr funktionieren. Im Netz findet man eine große Community und findet schnell Support und Hilfe. Zur Not kann man für grundlegende Probleme sogar in alten Games Factory Foren suchen. Im Vergleich zu MMF2 hat sich eigentlich nicht soooo viel getan. Es sind ein paar neue Features dazu gekommen und es gibt die Möglichkeit zu Android und iOS zu exportieren (wenn man den Exporter hat, der extra kostet).
Das Programm selber ist zu Beginn etwas schwer zu verstehen (für Neulinge), aber nach genau einem Monat ist man voll drin und fühlt sich echt geil, wenn man die Möglichkeiten entdeckt und soweit ist zwei drei Schritte forwärts zu denken: "Ok ich will das machen... das könnte dann ja so und so klappen... dann brauch ich so ein objekt... das muss dann so und so reagieren ... teste ich ma...... - klappt... GEIL, ich bin der Größte!!!" (So ungefähr) :D

Es gibt zwar solche Plugins aber die sind sehr rechenintensiv und taugen nicht wirklich was. Es ist also ein reiner 2D Game Editor, für alle Leute die ihr eigenes Ding durchziehen wollen (egal ob Jump n Run, Flappy Birds oder Moorhuhn) und keinen festgelegten Rahmen wie beim RPG-Maker möchten. RPG geht damit zwar auch, aber da muss man dann etwas um die Ecke denken. Die Resultate sind etwas rechenintensiver als wenn man sie selber programmiert hätte, daher sollte man sich nicht wundern, wenn ein 2D Spiel auf 'nem schlechten Rechner plötzlich ruckelt, wenn da zuviel Action auf einmal ist. Aber sonst ist es ein netter Baukasten, mit dem man Lustige Games und kleine grafische Programme in kurzer Zeit realisieren kann.

It seems that views on Clickteam products can be a bit of a mixed bag. I am a user of Clickteam products and I have been one since the first "Games Factory" over thirteen years ago. This is my disclaimer, because my review might seem biased. Keep in mind though, I went on a massive hiatus for several years until I started using the products again—namely this one as a dev version—a few months ago.

Does it have its flaws? Indubitably. Can you make just about any 2D game with it? Yes, you can. As a long-time user, I'd like to address a lot of the concerns or plain complaints others have expressed. For the record, I don't think this software is for everybody, but if you persevere you can succeed. Whilst there are some serious boundaries that you *MIGHT* encounter, the majority of problems can be overcome. Now, onto the cons raised:

"This is a kiddie product, leave game creation to the big boys with real programming and tools like Unity."
(This isn't made up. I've seen a comment very much like this.)
That's fine. You might not agree with CF2.5's development paradigm and prefer traditional programming. If you want to go down that route, nobody is stopping you. You'd probably hold the same opinion towards Game Maker. A lot of amateur games are created with these products. They do not represent it, and many excellent and successful games have been made and being made regularly. It's what you make of it, and I'll move onto that below. I believe that the ends justify the means, and if you want to do things differently it's not a problem. It's all about the end product.

"The majority of Clickteam Fusion games are platformers."
I agree. That is not the fault of the software, however. Usually, games created with this can be considered indie. Surely you must realise that the majority of indie games in general are platformers, regardless of the creation method. However, this is far from the absolute truth in CF2.5's case. Take Really Big Sky for instance. It's a shmup, it's popular and just about any 2D game can be created with CF2.5.

"There's no documentation."
There is, but I will agree that it's not exactly easy to find and proper documentation is poorly provided. No customer should be expected to find everything on their own. I've had trouble in the past. You'll pick things up as you go, but I've faced challenges that could have been avoided with the right tutorials. There were a couple of books, but they don't go into deep detail. The developers are adding some tutorials to the community section. I also found tutorials by community members a great help. One guy who is always helping out, known as Snail, has an excellent YouTube channel. I've learnt a few invaluable techniques. Check it out: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7KCJXvjnHq9uQih5XNkVXQ
Also, almightyzentaco has posted some great tutorials too: https://www.youtube.com/user/almightyzentaco/videos
I also know several other useful Clickteam tutorial channels, but it'd lengthen this review even more to list them all so let me know if you'd like some links.
I urge Clickteam to create elaborate physical documentation. You can learn things as you go along, but a lot of the information is scattered.

"The community support is awful."
I can't really understand this. In all the years I've participated in the community, I've only had a couple of bad experiences. There probably are a couple of arrogant members with a "RTFM" attitude. They exist everywhere. Likewise, there are members who spend several hours per week helping out newcomers. Indeed, many newcomers will be a little lost, but I have seen some become good designers thanks to the helping hands on the forum.

"Games made with this are really amateur. There's no point in getting this if you have any revenue in mind."
This is one of the most ignorant statements I have read. No, one can't make a quick buck through this, or anything for that matter. (Unless you get lucky even from a lazy game like Flappy Bird, but let's not discuss that horrendous game.) Please, take a look at Heart Forth, Alicia: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alonsomartin/heart-forth-alicia
The Kickstarter hasn't ended yet at the time of writing this, but it has made over $230k from that alone. Of course, most of that is going towards outsourcing artists, musicians and programmers, but with that, this game will definitely be spectacular. The point I'm trying to make is that with Fusion, the world is your oyster. You can make money if you put in the time. Just don't be too ambitious and aim to start small. If something big comes from it then you can pursue that.

One other "gripe" I saw is...

"The storyboard and frame method is unintuitive and tedious. It just doesn't work."
For more advanced games, I agree once again, but this isn't a real problem. For simple games, you can use multiple frames. Once you learn to use layers properly, you can use all your assets and events (lines of programming) in one centralised frame. To a beginner it sounds difficult, but in the long run you save a lot of time.


Thank you if you've read all of this. In conclusion, Clickteam Fusion 2.5 has a few significant problems that the developers need to address. The software itself is fantastic. If you're a traditional programmer and you want to stick to that, you can use it for rapid prototyping if you wish. For anybody interested in game design, I say don't hold back. If you're willing to put the work in, it's certainly worth the price tag. The marketing presents the software as an easy game creation tool with "no programming required". I disagree with this. There IS programming, but it's a whole different programming paradigm. Some seem to think that it simply generates new games with little effort. (That's putting it a bit harshly, I know.) It makes development easier, but you need to put the work in, rather than using it for an hour and giving up. Again, part of this might be because of the documentation, which I hope Clickteam will fix.

You can always send me a message if you're unsure about anything. I've been on a long hiatus until a couple of months ago, but I will do what I can to help you with any problems. As always, good luck.

UPDATE: I should have linked to this video some time ago. If you're not convinced yet that this is a great game dev program, I recommend this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zq1yo0lxOU

Very unsure about this product when i first saw it. I mean there must be huge down sides to a game engine that is drag and drop, right?

Wrong, its fantastic. My heart will always lie with programming your own games, but THIS is amazing for making smaller 2d games, even prototyping ideas with rapid iteration time.

You literallty game make a whole game in an hour with this :)

Im sure it has limitations, but none i have found yet :)

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I found some issues:

- The standard version (not developer) when used with the Android exporter has some limitations, mainly to do with monetization.

- To use Google Admob advertising you HAVE to have the developer version (this is not clear on the product comparison page on their website)

- You CANNOT provide ANY in app purchase functiionality without the developer version.

I have seen other people ask how to use admob only to be told they need the dev version. Its just not clear enough when buying the Standard edition that those things arent included.

The comparison between versions is ONLY available on the Developer version page. It should be on the standard page as well, because the people buying standard need to know what they are NOT getting, just as much as the people buying the developer edition need to know what they ARE getting.

Ich als absoluter Neuling in Sachen Clickteam Fusion 2.5 muss sagen

Pro:
ein wirklich einfaches und schnell zu verstehendes Game maker Programm
viele Möglichkeiten seine eigenen Ideen in funktionierende spiele umzusetzen sei es in Win. Android. MAC
gute Einbindung von Standard Formaten bis hin zu web Applikationen
spiele bauen ohne aufwendiges Programmieren
simpel aber effizient gestaltet was die intuitive Nutzung vereinfacht
gute Tutorials (von clickteam direkt oder http://www.castles-of-britain.com/index77.htm )

contra:
viele extra Sachen werden benötigt um das volle potenzial nutzen zu können
nur die Standard Version bring einem nicht viel Freude
(siehe DLC)

de.


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Das wohl beste Programm für das erstellen von Spielen sowie Anwendungen / Apps.

Nach guten 300 Stunden und unzähligen Erfahrungen durch andere habe ich bis dato schon einige Tools sowie Apps auf dem Markt gebracht und bin sehr zufrieden.

Clickteam Fusion ist das beste Programm seiner Art.

Well... what should I say. Nearly 4000 hours (on Steam only). The best tool I have ever installed. Changed my life. Made my dream come true. Get it!

nice !!! Made my first (tutorial) game in under 1h ;)
looks easy ;)
but not sure if i'd pay 80 eur for it... I got it from a bundle for 2.5 € eur or so ;)

it's alright

Ein wirklich wunderbares Programm zum Entwickeln von 2d Spielen für Multiplattformen. Für dieses Programm sind weder Vorkenntnisse, noch Programmiersprachen nötig. Dieses Programm empfehle ich besonders für die Einsteiger der Spieleentwicklung. Ich habe auch in Zukunft ein Projekt vor, was ich mit diesem Programm in die Tat umsetzen will. Daher eine absolute Empfehlung für anfängerlichen Spieleentwickler!