Why Did Kane Kill Seth?

[ASRIEL]

Basically that. Was it because of the "First God, then Kane, then me!" line? I know this is the wrong forum, but I don't remember the game this was in to be honest.

[Cat]

Автор сообщения: JoshSA

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

My view of CNC 1, is the manual and descriptions of NOD were written from a more biased point of view of GDI. So NOD's write up is not actually true of who they were. It's kind of misleading on purpose. Like the true meaning of NOD was so hidden in lore that even the Manuals wouldn't elude to it.

I played Renegade through but never picked up on the coffin/tomb of Abel. Wow. Guess I need to play Renegade again XD

Yes I love the suspense. They make it sound like Kane is a sadistic power-hungry psycho who thinks he's a prophet but at the same time, it makes me think he does have a point and he truly believes he is doing the right thing by evolving humans.

And the Abel tomb is on the last mission, inside the catacombs. Havoc even said Kane made all this religion nonsense up upon reaching the tomb when Kane briefly comments about the tomb.

[ArchmageXin]

And Havoc eventually became this Bill O Reilly type of right wing Fox news commenator :D

[ASRIEL]

Автор сообщения: ArchmageXin

And Havoc eventually became this Bill O Reilly type of right wing Fox news commenator :D

I dunno how to comprehend what I just read

[ArchmageXin]

Автор сообщения: Azzy

Автор сообщения: ArchmageXin

And Havoc eventually became this Bill O Reilly type of right wing Fox news commenator :D

I dunno how to comprehend what I just read

It is actually in one of the flavor text for the Mammoth walkers, apparently GDI shutdown the last Mammy walker factory by the 3rd Tiberium War. And Havoc, now retired "Conserative political commenator", basically screamed this is GDI being "SOFT ON NOD" (a playback to the old "Soft on Communism charge")

[JoshSA]

Автор сообщения: ArchmageXin

Автор сообщения: Azzy

I dunno how to comprehend what I just read

It is actually in one of the flavor text for the Mammoth walkers, apparently GDI shutdown the last Mammy walker factory by the 3rd Tiberium War. And Havoc, now retired "Conserative political commenator", basically screamed this is GDI being "SOFT ON NOD" (a playback to the old "Soft on Communism charge")

Yeah you're right, just finished replaying the campaigns again on CnC3 and it's on one of the GDI intels titled: "Discontinuation of the Mammoth Mk II Walker" (GDI News Wire).

Screenshot of Intel Database

[JoshSA]

Автор сообщения: catcatcatcatcatcat

Автор сообщения: JoshSA

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

My view of CNC 1, is the manual and descriptions of NOD were written from a more biased point of view of GDI. So NOD's write up is not actually true of who they were. It's kind of misleading on purpose. Like the true meaning of NOD was so hidden in lore that even the Manuals wouldn't elude to it.

I played Renegade through but never picked up on the coffin/tomb of Abel. Wow. Guess I need to play Renegade again XD

Yes I love the suspense. They make it sound like Kane is a sadistic power-hungry psycho who thinks he's a prophet but at the same time, it makes me think he does have a point and he truly believes he is doing the right thing by evolving humans.

And the Abel tomb is on the last mission, inside the catacombs. Havoc even said Kane made all this religion nonsense up upon reaching the tomb when Kane briefly comments about the tomb.

Growing up playing these games I always sided with GDI and even found it difficult to play the NOD campaigns because they were the bad guys in my eyes. But after finishing the GDI campaigns multiple times I started playing the NOD campaigns which have always been more difficult and in-depth than their GDI counterparts. Now that I have a full picture of most of the CnC storyline I can't help but feel like NOD has some goodpoints and GDI resemble the world order that is kind of keeping everyone else down. So now I'm more open to siding with NOD.

Although from purely a playstyle perspective I much prefer GDI. Mammoth Tanks, Titans, Hammerheads. Just rock solid units that can take a beating.

The more I hear about Renegade the more I want to play it again. I must have been asleep half the game or something as I can't remember too much of the story bits.

[JoshSA]

Автор сообщения: ArchmageXin

Автор сообщения: JoshSA

Yeah I haven't played past level 2 or 3 of CnC 4. It was a terrible disgrace to my favorite franchise. So tried to like it, I really did but just wasn't compelling enough. Maybe the multiplayer was good (according to articles on the web) but that didn't help the campaign at all. I don't really take CnC 4 as Command and Conquer cannon.

Damn! I remember seeing Kane is Red Alert 1...that was mind blowingly awesome. How the two franchises could have been alternate timelines or some sort of prequel. Could have been so cool but seems like a missed opportunity.

No it was terrible all around, C&C 4 was basically an mobile game re-skinned to sell for 49.99. And the movie was just totally cringe.

XD Glad I didn't torture myself playing it anymore than I did.

I remember meeting this guy ages ago on a camp during Highschool. CnC 4 had just come out and he went on and on about how terrible it was. Said he was just sticking it out for the movies to see the ending. I took it with a pinch of salt until I tried playing it. Also at that time I didn't have good internet and having to be online all the time was a deal breaker.

Anyways, glad to see that the CnC Community is still alive after all this time.

[Cat]

I just realized that Seth may not be hostile towards you since the beginning. He may seem unfriendly in the beginning, like saying "if you fail you die" or "back so soon? hmm, let's see how you deal with something important" to the point it makes people say "damn I like General Shepard better." and I thought he was bluffing when he said he speaks highly of us to Kane.

But that's just the nature of Nod. It seems Seth was actually fond of us and said good things to Kane, especially when he starts bragging about how he talks to Kane goes a long way.

But 2 missions before his execution, he said in a triggered and frustrated tone he was beginning to trust us but disliked the fact Kane preferred us instead of him, obviously showing that he is starting to not like us anymore and sarcastically giving us ambitious missions. 1 mission before his death, he lied to us saying there's no GDI (obviously misinformation, sounds too good to be true and there's no such thing as a mission without enemies) but GDI has a whole base in that mission. Then, he got shot for trying to (deliberately) send us on a suicide mission.

Clearly, this jealousy has something to do with his well-deserved death. It's not about him wanting to attack USA early or without Kane's permission, he's too smart for that. He knew it was gonna fail so he plotted for us to take the blame but Kane found out his plans. I kinda like how Rivals makes a reference about his treachery in his bio.

[JoshSA]

Hmm I think Seth wasn't hostile towards use but more jealous. He was Kane's right hand man until you come along and then he feels threatened so he tries to take out the competition. NOD followers are typical of a cult and love their leader dearly. Almost like a father figure. So when we come along he feels jealous and threatened. Under different conditions Seth probably would have been your friend. So I guess first mission he is skeptical of us and afterwards becomes increasingly jealous.

[Omnipus]

Автор сообщения: catcatcatcatcatcat

Автор сообщения: Azzy

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Now I’m wondering if Nod is a Christian military organization. So... there’s that.

Westwood created Nod based on the christian bible to make it sound more serious, it's not actually christian.

Brotherhood of Nod is a cult that existed centuries ago (In Renegade, you can find traces and artifacts of Nod in an old ancient pyramid), so they;re like the league of shadows from Batman Begins, I can imagine they existed during ancient times wielding swords and all and as centuries past until the present day, they kept adapting to the changing world and use new weapons like stealth tanks and laser as well as adapting to the modern world uniforms. Their existence remains a secret to the world until they made themselves known in the first tiberium war. Their self-proclaim leader and founder is Kane, who Nod believes is immortal and never ages, he was cursed to wander the land of Nod and is also the Cain in the bible (further hinted in Renegade where they show Abel's tomb, a victim of Cain in the bible).

At least that's what we were led to believe. GDI thinks all those are just mambo-jumbo beliefs. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong.

In C&C4, Kane reached ascensions so the story is true,

in C&C2, Nod is trying to mutate the entire planet (and in the Nod campaign where it succeeds, Kane reaches ascension but this is not canon).

In C&C1, Nod was trying to unite third-world countries and use them to rule the world (while their long-term goal was deliberately left unexplained) because Kane was just a power-lust megalomaniac who uses media manipulation and the "religion & peace" crap as a propaganda<--this was Westwood's original description of Nod.

However, not everything you see from C&C3 onwards might be the intended story, because EA changed some of the plot, like for example Westwood said (before Tiberian Sun) Scrin is playing GDI and Nod to fight against each other after they made a deal with kane because Kane didnt choose his friends well and ended up betrayed but in C&C3, it was Kane that was playing Scrin and GDI against each other because Kane is a prophet so he can easily orchestrated that.

Even a few things in Tiberian Sun were different from what Westwood wrote but in the end, Nod is what you see in C&C4 because I guess C&C got too popular and fans were hyped about Nod's origin, they ended up changing a few things.

Nod was never meant to be aliens. They meant to build a new future with tiberium. GDI was meant to be an analog to RL UN. Cane has had many apearances in the Westwood RTS history linking the whole C&C universe together.

The real question is who are you as a player and why are you suddenly faced with leading the dispersed brotherhood at critical times in the timelines? Cane sees this more and more clearly throughout the timeline. You are the key to his assencion. You who rose suddenly to the rank of commander, was betrayed on your fisrt mission, succeeded and had to replace the conspiring Seth. Then Cane could show himself directly to you to judge through the C&C1 campaign if you really were the Hand of Destiny that he loves to call you.

Cane is The Prophet and was here all along waiting for Destiny (The Scrin) to show themselves. This plot twist, however was never in the original ideas. Here NOD was embracing Tib and GDI was trying to restore the Earth.

[Gas Mongoose]

Автор сообщения: Azzy

Basically that. Was it because of the "First God, then Kane, then me!" line? I know this is the wrong forum, but I don't remember the game this was in to be honest. [/quote]
It was because SETH wasn't loyal enough and kane (the god he is) got betrayed, he killed Seth, THE END

[ASRIEL]

Автор сообщения: Alecut335566

Автор сообщения: Azzy

Basically that. Was it because of the "First God, then Kane, then me!" line? I know this is the wrong forum, but I don't remember the game this was in to be honest. [/quote]
It was because SETH wasn't loyal enough and kane (the god he is) got betrayed, he killed Seth, THE END [/quote]

The “god” sure does get his ass kicked a lot.

[A Mongoose]

Guys guys guys, it's really simple.

It was because power shifts quickly in the Brotherhood.

[tomasoltis]

Bible only mentions place / land called Nod. GDI is depicted as a perverted version of the satanic NWO agenda, while this Kane, is more like the one willing to rule them all. Nod faction is overfilled with 'freemasonist' pyramids and the like. Basically, something like what the bible calls the antichrist. Otherwise known as a god-emperor cult with the person bent on world domination at all costs, bringing 'peace' where if you dont obey, youre exterminated no mercy nothing. Pretty much what ww2 enabled on conquered territories by the germans, murder on an industrial scale.

[ArchmageXin]

Автор сообщения: tomasoltis

Bible only mentions place / land called Nod. GDI is depicted as a perverted version of the satanic NWO agenda, while this Kane, is more like the one willing to rule them all. Nod faction is overfilled with 'freemasonist' pyramids and the like. Basically, something like what the bible calls the antichrist. Otherwise known as a god-emperor cult with the person bent on world domination at all costs, bringing 'peace' where if you dont obey, youre exterminated no mercy nothing. Pretty much what ww2 enabled on conquered territories by the germans, murder on an industrial scale.

>Otherwise known as a god-emperor cult with the person bent on world domination at all costs, bringing 'peace' where if you dont obey, youre exterminated no mercy nothing.

That could easily discribe GDI.

>Pretty much what ww2 enabled on conquered territories by the germans, murder on an industrial scale

I don't actually see Kane do much of that. At least IIRC, only westwood games feature outright attack on civilians were Red Alert Series.