The Story, or Rather, EA's Unfortunate Decisions

[Kirathel]

So, I didn't actually play Twilight, as I had already spent about 50 bucks on KW and TW. I liked the games, and found the story, comical as it might be, interesting.

SO, in light of Tiberian Twilight's train-wreck plot, I have some questions.

- What was the goal of ascension? I get it was a portal to bring Kane and co. somewhere else, but where and why?

- What was Kane? He seems to be immortal and unkillable, judging from how often he returned, and had some knowledge of the aliens via the Tacitus.

- Did the Tower absorb all the Tiberium, is that why it started vanishing?

[Best Pureeyaa]

He didn't get killed, he survived or faked his death.

[Cat]

Never completed TT campaign but the question about What was Kane... He is an individual who claims to be on Earth before civilisation existed. They never explained how kane knew about scrin or how scrin knew about him, but I believe kane has knowledge about tacitus because he himself built it.

He seems to be immortal as he survived the Ion canon attack at the end of TD, but he's probably just got lucky and prepared some escape routes if you chose not to believe the immortal thingy. After all, he fell lifelessly when McNeil stabbed him where he is presumed dead and needed to be in a statis tube to recover as seen in Firestorm campaign ending.

[W0rmh0leXtreme]

Originally posted by Elfen Lied:

He seems to be immortal as he survived the Ion canon attack at the end of TD, but he's probably just got lucky and prepared some escape routes if you chose not to believe the immortal thingy. After all, he fell lifelessly when McNeil stabbed him where he is presumed dead and needed to be in a statis tube to recover as seen in Firestorm campaign ending.

He can't not be immortal though, or at least close to immortal, so I don't see why anyone would not believe it, the brotherhood is an ancient organisation started by Kane thousands of years ago (or so they say), and his lifespan ieven even just from what we see in the games is definately not human, the time span from RA to TT is well over 100 years, and even if RA isn't included to not age at all from TD to TT despite goinh through all he does and most likely coming into close proximity to tiberium a lot in that time which would have worn down his body were he mortal, plus the various other things in both the games and supporting material that shows he's quite older than a human could ever be, yeah I'm not sure how anyone could beleive he's mortal, or least from the sense of a human's perspective. Maybe he's a very advanced alien life form or something, one with an extremely long or limitless lifespan and with a body more durable than a human's. Even if not toally immortal from a human's perspective that could very well seem or be immortal.

I kinda think, with all these biblical references and the ways he's mentioned and hinted at past events and bilblical accounts coinciding, that maybe he really is the Cain of the bible, and maybe he was a member of an advanced alien race who were here at Earth at one point, and the primitive humans at the time worshipped this alien race and formed a religion to worship them, which would eventually develop into the Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, as to any primitive race a more advanced race with advanced technology would likely seem godlike to them, Maybe certain things that happened in the bible really happened, like Cain being cast out to the land of Nod, which in this may be Earth, with Eden being the land their race came from, and so Cain being stuck on Earth in "the land of Nod" ends up creating "The Brotherhood of Nod" being essentially "Brotherhood of Earth" full of people from this land of Nod (humans) he was forced to live in, then over the next few thousand years uplifts humanity from primitive tribes to what we have today, with the ultimate goal of using humans to help him escape this planet, possibly to get back to the place his race came from, back to Eden or wherever it may be. It's like being stuck on a desert island, without any transportation you can't escape. So he gave humans the knowledge needed to allow them to be advanced enough to attain the means he needs to escape this planet.

His bringing the faithful followers with him is probably his aknowledgement that he couldn't have done it without humans so giving them a reward for doing all this for him. Maybe his fondnes of certain humans and his willingness to bring humans with him rather than just seeing us as tools and leaving us here when he leaves suggests he might see us as in some way left/abandoned here too, as his race might have been here at some point, which is why humans worship them, but then abandoned him here and left the earth, abandoning both Kane on a remote planet with a bunch of primitive tribes and abandoning the humans who looked up to them and worshipped them. Maybe he saw it like his race had abandoned their brother and their children. It would have been far easier and quicker for Kane to just rule over us as a god-king or something and forced humans into doing what he wanted and getting to a point where he could return, but instead he acted more like a teacher and guide and helped us develop but allowed humans to keep their own free will and freedom, unless doing that was all part of his plan and he thoguht that was a more useful method than enslaving the earth, who knows with a mastermind who's existed for millenia. But the way he's acted with humans over the years and the things he's said suggests to me that maybe he genuinely has no ill will of humans (except those that get in his way), and that whilst he had no choice but to use humans to get what he wanted it was a chance for humans to grow and develop too with him guiding us.

[W0rmh0leXtreme]

Originally posted by W0rmh0leXtreme:

Originally posted by Elfen Lied:

He seems to be immortal as he survived the Ion canon attack at the end of TD, but he's probably just got lucky and prepared some escape routes if you chose not to believe the immortal thingy. After all, he fell lifelessly when McNeil stabbed him where he is presumed dead and needed to be in a statis tube to recover as seen in Firestorm campaign ending.

He can't not be immortal though, or at least close to immortal, so I don't see why anyone would not believe it

Just realised that there's the possibility of everything being all lies or something so who knows maybe there is plenty of reason for people to not believe it

[Aleera]

Why are people insisting Tiberium Twilight had such a weak plot? It was in no way hammier or goofier then any C&C before it.

Now if you would complain that Twilight lost the playstyle of C&C. That I would agree on.
Kane most likely is either a long living alien. (immortal to aging)
Just a average joe of ancient past that's using the Tacitus to sustain his life, via cloning, taking over others or whatnot.

Kane's ascension was nothing more of "I'm done milking earths sheeple, I'm off to somewhere I can get more power."
Above poster claiming Kane giving credit to his followers, nope. Everything and everyone has always been nothing but a tool to the Kane character. A means so he could get more power.

[Cat]

Kane gives credits to his people for helping him.

[Aleera]

Originally posted by Nyu:

Kane gives credits to his people for helping him.

When and where does it even sound sincere? Every time the character Kane appears. He uses people for his own gains.
If he's nice to you, he needs something from you, but the moment you done it, you get killed.

[Cat]

At the ending of Tiberian Twilight, Nod followers disappears like Kane as if they reached ascension as well. If Kane doesn't care about his followers, why would he bring them along to ascension when he could just leave them behind?

[Aleera]

I doub't you'll understand through your rose-tinted glasses towards Kain.

Why would he give random followers, which are on average destitute people, people with nothing to lose, clinging desperately to some form of salvation, why would he give them ascension? Yet not to people who've actually been helpfull to him.

Hint, it has nothing to do with Kain being kind. Everyone that has helped him, gets betrayed. Go replay Tib Sun and it's expansion.

So why would he give ascension?
A, kindness of his heart. (what kindness?)
B, He still has use of cannonfodder
C, They can't even reach ascension and will die on the treshold.

Comeon, the guy names himself after the first murderer in the Bible.

Your headcannon might think that Kain is a good guy, but he's not. He has never shown it, each time he was kind and generous to someone, that someone gets betrayed later on. Again and again. Why would he suddenly now be kind and loving to generic schmucks who have nothing to offer him? (well, other then cannonfodder.)

[Michael]

kane is like religions, the theory is good... but on the real life people start wars for that religions!

[KodiakUltimate]

Originally posted by Aleera:

Why are people insisting Tiberium Twilight had such a weak plot? It was in no way hammier or goofier then any C&C before it.

Now if you would complain that Twilight lost the playstyle of C&C. That I would agree on.
Kane most likely is either a long living alien. (immortal to aging)
Just a average joe of ancient past that's using the Tacitus to sustain his life, via cloning, taking over others or whatnot.

Kane's ascension was nothing more of "I'm done milking earths sheeple, I'm off to somewhere I can get more power."
Above poster claiming Kane giving credit to his followers, nope. Everything and everyone has always been nothing but a tool to the Kane character. A means so he could get more power.

the Tiberium series still took itself seriously, Tiberium sun was a rather dark and bleak future, tibeium wars showed humans adapting but revealed the truth about the crystal,
TT was utter bull because that serious nature was lost with the ridiculous gameplay style, and the aliens were gone, they completly ignored that they were supposed to come back with a military force rather than some harvesters,
Personally i would choose the cancled tiberium over TT for story, Kane accended in tiberium wars, took a huge chunk of his entorage with him (for whatever reason) and the aliens were sceduled to return, not to mention the rediculous notion that GDI and NOD would team up to clean the planet of tiberium (treehuggers NOD is not). I don't think kane was "miliking" earth, but more trapped, he scrin were made up of more than one alien race, but they were all absorbed into tiberium and hiveminded, I think kane may have been a forman/overloard of the scrin, and was bannished for whatever reason (think about the forman you play in the scrin campaing)
now my theory is he was a overlord who was bannished, and used earth to spearhead his revenge against the scrin, bringing a harvesting force to earth, and escaping throught the tower, and going to take over the scrin forces that were being sent to earth, but we'll never know with TT ♥♥♥♥♥ murdering of the franchise...

[[COS]Puff|)r@g0nZ]

I think kane is a time traveller maybe.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

I thought Kane was an AI Cyborg as of Tiberian Sun: Firestorm. The original Kane died in the Temple collapse of the First Tiberium Wars but the AI Cabal was essentially Kane's Neural map combined with the knowledge of the Tacitus, which was likely how CABAL was first constructed during the events of the first Tiberium War.

Even in the Vanilla NOD Campaign of Tiberian Sun, Kane is shown to not be real, and the GDI Campaign which always seems to be what the lore actually follows, what Mac killed was just a Cyborg, of which there are dozens in some still unkown secret storage with a copy of CABAL being integrated into each one when a new Tiberium War erupts.

[Cat]

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

I thought Kane was an AI Cyborg as of Tiberian Sun: Firestorm. The original Kane died in the Temple collapse of the First Tiberium Wars but the AI Cabal was essentially Kane's Neural map combined with the knowledge of the Tacitus, which was likely how CABAL was first constructed during the events of the first Tiberium War.

Even in the Vanilla NOD Campaign of Tiberian Sun, Kane is shown to not be real, and the GDI Campaign which always seems to be what the lore actually follows, what Mac killed was just a Cyborg, of which there are dozens in some still unkown secret storage with a copy of CABAL being integrated into each one when a new Tiberium War erupts.

Or a clone... The metal things on his face does made it seems like he is the same person from the Temple in Sarajevo as if he survived the Ion canon blast.

But it's just a game where the plot is made up by human minds and prone to errors, so it's possible to have contradicting events. Westwood said in the C&C Bible Kane made a deal with the aliens and many other events that didn't seem to occur in C&C games made after that. They promised Scrin will return but they didn't made any appearance in C&C4 so the story is messed up.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Originally posted by kucing:

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

I thought Kane was an AI Cyborg as of Tiberian Sun: Firestorm. The original Kane died in the Temple collapse of the First Tiberium Wars but the AI Cabal was essentially Kane's Neural map combined with the knowledge of the Tacitus, which was likely how CABAL was first constructed during the events of the first Tiberium War.

Even in the Vanilla NOD Campaign of Tiberian Sun, Kane is shown to not be real, and the GDI Campaign which always seems to be what the lore actually follows, what Mac killed was just a Cyborg, of which there are dozens in some still unkown secret storage with a copy of CABAL being integrated into each one when a new Tiberium War erupts.

Or a clone... The metal things on his face does made it seems like he is the same person from the Temple in Sarajevo as if he survived the Ion canon blast.

But it's just a game where the plot is made up by human minds and prone to errors, so it's possible to have contradicting events. Westwood said in the C&C Bible Kane made a deal with the aliens and many other events that didn't seem to occur in C&C games made after that. They promised Scrin will return but they didn't made any appearance in C&C4 so the story is messed up.

Yeah, let's not forget that the Red Alert Universe was also originally supposed to be part of the Tiberium canon as well, with Kane being present in the story of RA1, who's role was later supplanted and retconned as Yuri.