Game bans

[BBsquid]

Just me...but isn't permanently banning people for finding exploits in an EA game counter productive? Isn't the EA phase there to find the bugs that allow exploits, and patch over them as the game gets closer to going live?

I'm not a game designer, but if there is truth to the stories that they are banning exploiters AND anyone that picks up/owns duplicated items...that, to me, gives credence to the idea that this game was a cash grab and destined to fail from the beginning.

How does one tell if a player has duped weapons/gear, or if a higher level player they play with didn't legitimately purchase, say, a MK 18, kit it out from vendors they have unlocked, and then given said weapon to a lower level player?

There's no in-game enconomy to screw up, there are going to be several wipes periodically. Nothing really matters in an EA title.

I can see the bans once the game is stable and goes live, but with the server crashes, disappearing bodies, constantly losing kit...that $10k you start with goes fast for some, and if they can't buy gear, you're probably going to start bleeding players. A work around while the game is janky is make your starting kit free.

Again, not a game designer, but at this stage in the project l think I would be putting more effort into finding away to prevent the exploits rather than banning an ever expanding list of players.

[LosTresMuertos]

I think the main issue was the amount of bans. The game now peaked at 11k, so possibly 5k bans were made. It's insane to think they would ban 1/3 of their playerbase. I'm out of the loop because I only play PVE tho, so I am not aware of the amount of possible cheaters in PVP, or what the exploit were.

I find bans unsavory because CORPORATIONS SHOULD REFUND THE MONEY IF THEY CHOSE TO BAN, IMO.

[d3Sync]

I think it depends on the infraction.

Duplication should result in a ban. Everyone knows you shouldn't be doing that. It doesn't matter if the game economy is good or not. There's a big difference between picking up a duplicated item in base camp, and chain duping to create a massive advantage.

The grenade bug being exploited repeatedly to gain an advantage should result in a ban. Throwing grenades at your own faction members and having your friends steal their gear is obviously not good behavior and it should be punished.

I do think that game bans should only be given out to people who are knowingly and continuously abusing exploits though. And obviously, any third party cheat software should result in an IP ban and account deletion, if possible.

In regards to the issues of losing gear on disconnects and game bugs such as not being able to see your body.. That's a massive oversight from Madfinger games. They should have never launched the game without an insurance system. As even Escape From Tarkov has a way for players to retrieve their lost gear, as long as no one else looted it.

[notSure]

Any proof for ban wave ? No right

[Boozer]

i know alot of people that did the dupe exploit and not a single one of them are banned.

only people i know of who did get banned are people with several screenshots of dead friendlies at base.

[TrustyPandaBE - Allkeyshop]

I only played PvE and got a ban out off the blue. Playing the game before work. Did like 3 tasks, came home from work. Banned cant play it anymore. They just wanne rip off people becuse steam dont give refund if you play more than 2 hours

[dale84uk]

Red Flag. If people are getting ban without explanation. Was this game just a scam ? Time will tell I guess.

[Mr.Fish]

They aren't banning for finding exploits/bugs, they are banning people who abuse the exploits to generate millions of dollars or kill their teammates when they shouldn't be able too.

Rightfully so, good riddance scum, you are also just as bad as the cheaters/exploiters if you keep peddling the lies about genuine players been removed from the game, in an attempt to damage the reputation of the game and pretend like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who abuse exploits don't deserve to get banned.


Stage of game development doesn't make any difference, it's still a multiplayer game, you agreed to the rules when you installed the game, if you didn't like it, why do you play multiplayer online games, ea or not ea, they all have the exact same rules, TOS, EULA(s).

You find bug/exploit, you report it and move on. You DO NOT, test it at your leisure or repeat it, ever, that's been standard in games for 30 years.

[TrustyPandaBE - Allkeyshop]

Originally posted by Mr.Fish:

They aren't banning for finding exploits/bugs, they are banning people who abuse the exploits to generate millions of dollars or kill their teammates when they shouldn't be able too.

Rightfully so, good riddance scum, you are also just as bad as the cheaters/exploiters if you keep peddling the lies about genuine players been removed from the game, in an attempt to damage the reputation of the game and pretend like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who abuse exploits don't deserve to get banned.


Stage of game development doesn't make any difference, it's still a multiplayer game, you agreed to the rules when you installed the game, if you didn't like it, why do you play multiplayer online games, ea or not ea, they all have the exact same rules, TOS, EULA(s).

You find bug/exploit, you report it and move on. You DO NOT, test it at your leisure or repeat it, ever, that's been standard in games for 30 years.

I did do anything of those things. I did pick up MK18s and 200K that other players gave me. Put thats just picking items up like in basecamp. I pickt a lot of dropped ammo and stuff in basecamp and sold it.

[RanaCreed]

Originally posted by TrustyPandaBE - Allkeyshop:

Originally posted by Mr.Fish:

They aren't banning for finding exploits/bugs, they are banning people who abuse the exploits to generate millions of dollars or kill their teammates when they shouldn't be able too.

Rightfully so, good riddance scum, you are also just as bad as the cheaters/exploiters if you keep peddling the lies about genuine players been removed from the game, in an attempt to damage the reputation of the game and pretend like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who abuse exploits don't deserve to get banned.


Stage of game development doesn't make any difference, it's still a multiplayer game, you agreed to the rules when you installed the game, if you didn't like it, why do you play multiplayer online games, ea or not ea, they all have the exact same rules, TOS, EULA(s).

You find bug/exploit, you report it and move on. You DO NOT, test it at your leisure or repeat it, ever, that's been standard in games for 30 years.

I did do anything of those things. I did pick up MK18s and 200K that other players gave me. Put thats just picking items up like in basecamp. I pickt a lot of dropped ammo and stuff in basecamp and sold it.

i dont think they are ban people for holding dupe item or money if thats true few streamers also get banned this point i didnt see them get ban

[Tommy]

I think anyone using cheats should be banned. A lot of Games are full of them, it is good too see, this company being pro active on them. Many of us serious players, want a decent game (though plenty to fix). I only play Joint operations have no time for PvP, many Camp and just shoot Spawners.
I would in fact like to have a report button in Game, if you think someone is cheating, but to be honest of late and seems in fact thanks to Madfingers team, at present seen none.

[Mr.Fish]

Originally posted by TrustyPandaBE - Allkeyshop:

Originally posted by Mr.Fish:

They aren't banning for finding exploits/bugs, they are banning people who abuse the exploits to generate millions of dollars or kill their teammates when they shouldn't be able too.

Rightfully so, good riddance scum, you are also just as bad as the cheaters/exploiters if you keep peddling the lies about genuine players been removed from the game, in an attempt to damage the reputation of the game and pretend like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who abuse exploits don't deserve to get banned.


Stage of game development doesn't make any difference, it's still a multiplayer game, you agreed to the rules when you installed the game, if you didn't like it, why do you play multiplayer online games, ea or not ea, they all have the exact same rules, TOS, EULA(s).

You find bug/exploit, you report it and move on. You DO NOT, test it at your leisure or repeat it, ever, that's been standard in games for 30 years.

I did do anything of those things. I did pick up MK18s and 200K that other players gave me. Put thats just picking items up like in basecamp. I pickt a lot of dropped ammo and stuff in basecamp and sold it.

No one is getting banned for picking up loot, that is part of the game.
Just be smart about it and don't collude with cheaters/exploiters to get free gear.

Generating millions of dollars from thin air or killing team mates when friendlyfire is turned off. that is very different and isn't part of the game.

People trying to make a big deal and much difficulty out of something very simple that we have known in gaming for decades, we didn't even need to read the TOS/EULA/Game rules, we just followed our own simple rule:

1. Is the thing i am doing designed as part of the game? (e.g. looting, shooting, climbing)

If the answer is Yes, move on to question 3.
If the answer is No, question 2

2. You are being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, git gud silly ♥♥♥♥, stop what you are doing and play correctly otherwise you should get banned, now go back to question 1

3. Congratulations, you are not cheating/exploiting/abusing, well done no ban for you

[Jonathan J. O'Neill]

Originally posted by Dom:

Any proof for ban wave ? No right

This is what I'm wondering. I was given a bunch of duped cash a couple weeks ago. I still have a lot of it. I have no use for it so I tend to use it to buy newbies a better kit as I teach them the basics of the game.

I haven't received a warning for it and I still see the guy who gave me the money playing from time to time as he's on my friend's list.

I have heard of people getting banned for the grenade exploit but, again, I don't know how true it is and I don't know how anyone could verify if they were banned. If there was a ban wave, I'd expect a bigger influx of people talking about being banned.

[Gadzooks]

Taking advantage of exploits in the game is a grey area. Yes Madfinger Games can stipulate
that you not take advantage of them but when they are there and unpatched, and when instructions on how to use them are allowed on their Discord page and YouTube, some will use exploits out of curiosity if nothing else. Add to that the fact this is an early access game where bugs and exploits should be discovered, their terms and contract between us and them, could legally be seen as meaningless. This comes from my wife who is a retired corporate lawyer.
Madfinger Games have stipulated that you cannot take advantage of exploits, that means
they have a legal responsibility to anyone who brought the game to patch any exploits once they are discovered.
But who could afford to take them to court, and seeing as the gaming industry is worth billions, a court would likely side with the developers.

None of us know why people have been banned, but if some are getting banned for duplicating items my opinion of Madfinger Games will be less favourable.
PvP is broken anyway and exploits in PvE do not effect anyone not using them.

[Mr.Fish]

Originally posted by QuaizyWabbit:

Taking advantage of exploits in the game is a grey area. Yes Madfinger Games can stipulate
that you not take advantage of them but when they are there and unpatched, and when instructions on how to use them are allowed on their Discord page and YouTube, some will use exploits out of curiosity if nothing else. Add to that the fact this is an early access game where bugs and exploits should be discovered, their terms and contract between us and them, could legally be seen as meaningless. This comes from my wife who is a retired corporate lawyer.
Madfinger Games have stipulated that you cannot take advantage of exploits, that means
they have a legal responsibility to anyone who brought the game to patch any exploits once they are discovered.
But who could afford to take them to court, and seeing as the gaming industry is worth billions, a court would likely side with the developers.

None of us know why people have been banned, but if some are getting banned for duplicating items my opinion of Madfinger Games will be less favourable.
PvP is broken anyway and exploits in PvE do not effect anyone not using them.

Of course, sure, if that's true she should of retired a lot sooner because she don't know ♥♥♥♥ lmao.
EULA are cast iron, you agree to not be an arsehole and use exploits/cheats.
You accept that there are potential bugs in the game, you report them and move on, it does not give you carte blanche to abuse them or you will get banned.

[Gadzooks]

Originally posted by Mr.Fish:

EULA are cast iron

Wrong. And if you read my post and try to understand you will know why.
If you have brought the game you are beyond EULA's you are in contract law which mean both parties have a responsibility.
Seeing as your life is ruled by 'laws' (and there's a good reason i put laws in single quotes), you'd think you would want to know more about them and understand them fully.