So did Anya actually got r... or is it something that the community decided happened?

[💗Blaaashyyy💗]

Maybe I didn't paid attention, or maybe it's because I don't like to imagine stuff and instead I wait for people to tell it straight, so that I'm sure they mean what I think they mean, but it seemed to me like the situation might be, that she might jut spent a night with Jim, got pregnant but he didn't wanted her, and that's why she was upset instead of straight up r situation (and he might not have known about the child either and she was afraid to tell him). But again, I might not have been paying attention at the right time. At which moment it's made clear, that this is what happened?

[Misanthropy Incarnate]

Originally posted by thunda:

Its heavily implied through several events that just keep adding up. Anya comments about the open dorm sleeping situation but that the med bay has a locked doorr, then after the crash her sleeping area is untouched implying she's sleeping in the med bay after that night she got assaulted. Why would she do that if nobody harassed her in her sleep?

The part about "being quiet" near the end, to avoid the rape horse. Obvious metaphor to Jimmy telling Anya to be quiet while he raped her.

The "TAKE RESPONSIBILITY" flashes wouldnt be so in your face if Jimmy had simply abandoned her after their consensual sex led to a pregnancy. It was about more than responsibility of the baby, it was about his actions after the crash

Anya didnt want to give the psych eval to Jimmy.

Anya act weird around Jimmy after the crash. And of course Anya kills herself in the end. She was going to have a baby in such a situation that was happening on the ship.

There are other events too but the totality of the circumstances add up to rape, there's no other explanation

Thanks. I didn't understand the "Rape Horse" section.

[CrabNicholson]

Originally posted by Matches Found:

Originally posted by thunda:

Its heavily implied through several events that just keep adding up. Anya comments about the open dorm sleeping situation but that the med bay has a locked doorr, then after the crash her sleeping area is untouched implying she's sleeping in the med bay after that night she got assaulted. Why would she do that if nobody harassed her in her sleep?

The part about "being quiet" near the end, to avoid the rape horse. Obvious metaphor to Jimmy telling Anya to be quiet while he raped her.

The "TAKE RESPONSIBILITY" flashes wouldnt be so in your face if Jimmy had simply abandoned her after their consensual sex led to a pregnancy. It was about more than responsibility of the baby, it was about his actions after the crash

Anya didnt want to give the psych eval to Jimmy.

Anya act weird around Jimmy after the crash. And of course Anya kills herself in the end. She was going to have a baby in such a situation that was happening on the ship.

There are other events too but the totality of the circumstances add up to rape, there's no other explanation

Thanks. I didn't understand the "Rape Horse" section.

You mean bank robbery horse.

[err0Rx_X]

the truth is that, we only will know if he r*ped her or not when one of the devs talks about it and answer our question. Thats it.

[err0Rx_X]

you can have all your arguments about why Jimmy isn't a r*pist and I can have all my arguments of why he is, but in the end of the day we dont know who is actually right about this. I believe he is a r*pist cause FOR ME it makes more sense due the fact of some of his actions in the game. Its just that I can see a r*pist behaving like him.. and honestly it woulnd't be a surprise if hes actually one

[err0Rx_X]

Originally posted by Blash:

Originally posted by xHans:

Lol someone asks a question challenging the legitimacy of that #me2 grape allegations and some people goes nuts over it.

Only a few though. I am very happy that most people could contain their emotions and actually discuss the topic.

we are not robots, we are humans, live beings with emotions, idk why I have to tell you that, if you want to discuss about it go to ChatGPT then because if we cant express emotions through our texts bro we are so lost, our discussions would be so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ boring

[err0Rx_X]

only if you want boring discussions then go to ChatGPT Im telling you

[CrabNicholson]

Originally posted by ɘ̶̲̲г̶̶̳г̶0̶̶͆г:

you can have all your arguments about why Jimmy isn't a r*pist and I can have all my arguments of why he is, but in the end of the day we dont know who is actually right about this. I believe he is a r*pist cause FOR ME it makes more sense due the fact of some of his actions in the game. Its just that I can see a r*pist behaving like him.. and honestly it woulnd't be a surprise if hes actually one

That's the problem, is that I can't think of any part of the plot that doesn't make LESS sense with this theory.

Why would Anya ask Jimmy to take Swansea's weapon from him, for example? She must trust Jimmy more than Swansea at this point in the story. Why would she trust a rapist?

Why would Anya want a locked gun for self-defense against rape? If she wanted to hide the locked gun, it seems more like she is afraid of Jimmy getting it, because she is afraid he will go mental and start shooting people.

Why would Anya's perception be defined as "able to see a pixel" if the problems weren't intended to be subtle? Pretty sure that anyone can tell if they're being violently assaulted.

Etc.

All of the arguments in favor of Jimmy being a rapist rely on circular logic. IE. We know he's a rapist because the line "be quiet" appears in the game. We know that "Be quiet" is symbolic of rape, because we know that Jimmy is a rapist. See what I mean? Be quiet only makes sense as having anything at all to do with rape if you already assume it has something to do with a rape because there's nothing else connecting that sequence to rape in the game's dialogue or symbolism.

[Kain]

It's very vague, the game does strongly implies that he is a rapist. On the other hand the captain seems to have known something was up and it didn't seem like he was the type to let something like rape pass, even for a friend. The next best theory is that Jimmy and Anya were an item, but Jimmy could get violent, which although also terrible, is much lower on the list compared to rape.

[Yenzen]

Originally posted by ɘ̶̲̲г̶̶̳г̶0̶̶͆г:

Pretty sure that anyone can tell if they're being violently assaulted.

They're in a cramped spaceship. Swansea is a recovering drunk and quite unpleasant. Daisuke is... not reliable. The captain is a walkover will protect his friend, even if said friend states an intent to crash the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ship.

Why would 'anyone be able to tell', if all it takes is a threat to her life, possibly even just implied through his actions, and being told to be quiet? She has nobody to turn to and Jimmy knows it.

[Yenzen]

Originally posted by Kain:

It's very vague, the game does strongly implies that he is a rapist. On the other hand the captain seems to have known something was up and it didn't seem like he was the type to let something like rape pass, even for a friend. The next best theory is that Jimmy and Anya were an item, but Jimmy could get violent, which although also terrible, is much lower on the list compared to rape.

He let Jimmy *talking about crashing the ship* pass. He does the interview for Jimmy and basically gives it a rubber stamp. He is completely willing to turn a blind eye to his friend to avoid trouble.

[Kain]

Originally posted by Yenzen:

Originally posted by Kain:

It's very vague, the game does strongly implies that he is a rapist. On the other hand the captain seems to have known something was up and it didn't seem like he was the type to let something like rape pass, even for a friend. The next best theory is that Jimmy and Anya were an item, but Jimmy could get violent, which although also terrible, is much lower on the list compared to rape.

He let Jimmy *talking about crashing the ship* pass. He does the interview for Jimmy and basically gives it a rubber stamp. He is completely willing to turn a blind eye to his friend to avoid trouble.

He most likely didn't actually believe Jimmy would do it, blowing up the ship would be the opposite of avoiding trouble.

He did the interview simply because it was going nowhere with Anya.

[Yenzen]

Originally posted by Kain:

He most likely didn't actually believe Jimmy would do it

He did the interview simply because it was going nowhere with Anya.

Maybe he really didn't belive it. That just underscores that he has a massive blind spot regarding just how awful Jimmy is, and the awful things he is willing to and capable of doing.

Anya would get nowhere accusing Jimmy, because he would brush off any accusation just the same, and she would fear for Jimmy... "fixing it".

Jinny is a murderer. He's completely unable and unwilling to admit fault and will destroy everyone around him to avoid it, including himself. It's hinted multiple times that he assaulted her, why is the default assumption not that he did, in fact, do yet another awful thing, that's hinted at least 5 times?

[Kain]

Originally posted by Yenzen:

Originally posted by Kain:

He most likely didn't actually believe Jimmy would do it

He did the interview simply because it was going nowhere with Anya.

Maybe he really didn't belive it. That just underscores that he has a massive blind spot regarding just how awful Jimmy is, and the awful things he is willing to and capable of doing.

Anya would get nowhere accusing Jimmy, because he would brush off any accusation just the same, and she would fear for Jimmy... "fixing it".

Jinny is a murderer. He's completely unable and unwilling to admit fault and will destroy everyone around him to avoid it, including himself. It's hinted multiple times that he assaulted her, why is the default assumption not that he did, in fact, do yet another awful thing, that's hinted at least 5 times?

Because most interpretations can lead to the conclusion that he is a violent man, not a rapist. Sure he could have raped her, but almost everything points out to him being a violent man who takes no accountability for his actions. The fact she is afraid of him could be because he beats her, same way he beats Curly when no one is watching while feeding him meds. I'm open to the possibility he is a rapist too, I just don't see it from most interactions and dream sequences in the game, that points to a cowardly violent man.

[Yenzen]

Originally posted by Kain:

Originally posted by Yenzen:

Maybe he really didn't belive it. That just underscores that he has a massive blind spot regarding just how awful Jimmy is, and the awful things he is willing to and capable of doing.

Anya would get nowhere accusing Jimmy, because he would brush off any accusation just the same, and she would fear for Jimmy... "fixing it".

Jinny is a murderer. He's completely unable and unwilling to admit fault and will destroy everyone around him to avoid it, including himself. It's hinted multiple times that he assaulted her, why is the default assumption not that he did, in fact, do yet another awful thing, that's hinted at least 5 times?

Because most interpretations can lead to the conclusion that he is a violent man, not a rapist. Sure he could have raped her, but almost everything points out to him being a violent man who takes no accountability for his actions. The fact she is afraid of him could be because he beats her, same way he beats Curly when no one is watching while feeding him meds. I'm open to the possibility he is a rapist too, I just don't see it from most interactions and dream sequences in the game, that points to a cowardly violent man.

Couple of things that point towards that being the most likely scenario:

- Swansea makes it clear that Anya has told him bad things about Jimmy.
- Anya specifically talks about wanting a lock *for the sleeping areas*.
- At no point does Anya seem the least bit sexually attracted or romantically interested in Jimmy. She's clearly uncomfortable with him even making a silly sexual joke. Why would she *willingly* sleep with him?
- Polle, when he's grilling him about all of his awful behaviour, questions Jimmy why he's primarily trying to make amends for HIM (Curly), implying that Jimmy wronged someone else more, or in a different way, on the ship,

A man she's scared of, who refuses to admit faults, who shows only disdain for her, who knows he wronged her badly somehow, who she tries to open up about to the other crew, who she is not trying to judge for their "worst actions", made her pregnant. Consensually, you think?

[Kain]

Originally posted by Yenzen:

Originally posted by Kain:

Because most interpretations can lead to the conclusion that he is a violent man, not a rapist. Sure he could have raped her, but almost everything points out to him being a violent man who takes no accountability for his actions. The fact she is afraid of him could be because he beats her, same way he beats Curly when no one is watching while feeding him meds. I'm open to the possibility he is a rapist too, I just don't see it from most interactions and dream sequences in the game, that points to a cowardly violent man.

Couple of things that point towards that being the most likely scenario:

- Swansea makes it clear that Anya has told him bad things about Jimmy.
- Anya specifically talks about wanting a lock *for the sleeping areas*.
- At no point does Anya seem the least bit sexually attracted or romantically interested in Jimmy. She's clearly uncomfortable with him even making a silly sexual joke. Why would she *willingly* sleep with him?
- Polle, when he's grilling him about all of his awful behaviour, questions Jimmy why he's primarily trying to make amends for HIM (Curly), implying that Jimmy wronged someone else more, or in a different way, on the ship,

A man she's scared of, who refuses to admit faults, who shows only disdain for her, who knows he wronged her badly somehow, who she tries to open up about to the other crew, who she is not trying to judge for their "worst actions", made her pregnant. Consensually, you think?

- Those bad things could be physical violence.

- Yes, she doesn't want to be near him anymore. Could be the rape, definitely because he is violent.

- True, but it's no proof, it could be interpreted in many ways or maybe they simply weren't together for long. Or she is simply afraid because he is violent.

- Yes, he definitely wronged Anya, by being either violent it, not wanting anything with the child or both.

I really don't think Swansea and Curly would simply let something like rape slide. Again, could he be a rapist? Sure.

Was he violent? Definitely.

And most of the dialogue in the game could be applied to a violent man who's to cowardly to admit his abusive nature, specially since Jimmy definitely hides or tries to hide his wrong doings. Most of the time you see Jim's nightmares, you can see his guilt about what he did to the ship crew when he set the course to hit the asteroid, his thoughts about the company, about his child that he sees as a monster, his violence with the crew. But there is nothing about his predatory sexual nature.