TIP: Don't buy the remaster, stick with the original.

[Mno]

Original:

- Available on Steam
- Mods
- DLC is being ported by modders. Cars and map are already done.

Remaster:

- Origin exclusive.
- Strong chance it will use Denuvo.
- As is the case with pretty much every other remaster of this kind, it will probably be a downgrade from the original PC release.

Don't be stupid.

[Mno]

Originally posted by C3 Gamer Alex (AlexKVideos1):

and I guess you consider something a downgrade now when it has better graphics, and all of the DLC, weird.

DLC was ported to PC by fans. Maybe not the billboards and interface elements, but the meat (cars, map) are there.

[Mno]

Not to mention mods.

[AlexKVideos1]

Big Surf mod aka Vanity Pack doesn't have the traffic, events, or proper AI coding, and the PC version lacks the Cops 'n Robbers gamemode, which can't be ported over.

The remaster version is not perfect, but saying to not buying the game because of a few things you may not like, it a different story. Really, you should have listed the advantages/disadvantages of both, but you focused on the disadvantages of the remasters, caling anyone stupid if they get the remastered.

I hate DRM, and Origin, but it isn't a deal breaker for me.
Mods are definitely nice, but I don't normally play with mods. If I wanted to I will just play this version.
Online should hopefully be populated again, it is pretty much dead here.
Graphics also aren't the biggest thing either, I only pointed it out since people where claiming that the remaster is just the PC version's graphics.
FPS should still be locked at 60FPS, unless they really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it up.
Remaster should fix the graphically glitches, and the no car damage glitch.

I know I will be getting the remastered version.

[Mno]

Originally posted by C3 Gamer Alex (AlexKVideos1):

The remaster version is not perfect, but saying to not buying the game because of a few things you may not like, it a different story. Really, you should have listed the advantages/disadvantages of both, but you focused on the disadvantages of the remasters, caling anyone stupid if they get the remastered.

I hate DRM, and Origin, but it isn't a deal breaker for me.

Origin is just another platform, a pretty terrible one, but so is Steam if I'm being honest. I didn't call anyone stupid for buying an Origin game or buying a remaster, however if you knowingly buy Denuvo games (or worse, pre-order) then you absolutely are stupid.

Originally posted by C3 Gamer Alex (AlexKVideos1):

FPS should still be locked at 60FPS, unless they really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it up.

A 60 FPS lock isn't a good thing. I know the original version was locked as well, but back then 60 FPS hardware was a luxury. I'd expect a PC remaster to lose the frmerate cap...

[AlexKVideos1]

Originally posted by speed.exe has stopped working:

Originally posted by C3 Gamer Alex (AlexKVideos1):

FPS should still be locked at 60FPS, unless they really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it up.

A 60 FPS lock isn't a good thing. I know the original version was locked as well, but back then 60 FPS hardware was a luxury. I'd expect a PC remaster to lose the frmerate cap...

I never said it was a good thing, I am pretty sure it is an engine issue. I was just saying if it wasn't locked, like the FPS dipping down, then there will be problems. The engine is locked at 60, so really there is nothing we can do about that unless it isn't.

[SlyAceZeta]

The graphics comparisons provided to us by both EA and Criterion confirm that many of the game's textures have been redone in much better quality. Not all of them, unfortunately, but the roads are probably the biggest difference.

The game is one month away from release. You won't be seeing drastic downgrades that soon.

I said that many of the mods are out of date because they haven't been updated to work better with newer versions of Windows, and Vanity Pack itself is still incomplete and hasn't received any updates in four years.

The game will indeed run at 60fps on both the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X, so I would be surprised if it was any lower on PC or even locked at all.

Denuvo wasn't EA's doing in the first place. And it's not DRM since DRM requires you to activate the game online. Denuvo is simply anti-tamper to delay pirating. Every major video game publisher on Earth is using Denuvo now. There was no way Burnout Paradise was going to get any kind of update or re-release without Denuvo. "if you knowingly buy Denuvo games ... then you absolutely are stupid" is just a completely ignorant statement honestly. Let me know when we get some better evidence of Denuvo actually causing any kind of harm to computers.

Whether the game is poorly optimized or not will simply depend on when it's released on PC.

And yes, you have to log in with an Origin account to play The Ultimate Box online, therefore you are using Origin's servers.

[Mno]

Originally posted by C3 Gamer Alex (AlexKVideos1):

I never said it was a good thing, I am pretty sure it is an engine issue. I was just saying if it wasn't locked, like the FPS dipping down, then there will be problems. The engine is locked at 60, so really there is nothing we can do about that unless it isn't.

You have no idea what a game engine is, do you?

Originally posted by SlyCooperFan1:

The graphics comparisons provided to us by both EA and Criterion confirm that many of the game's textures have been redone in much better quality. Not all of them, unfortunately, but the roads are probably the biggest difference.

The game is one month away from release. You won't be seeing drastic downgrades that soon.

I doubt the remaster hs been in development for more than a month or two. Though to be honest I'm more worried about the performance.

Also, something you can't see in promotional screenshots is the in-game anti-aliasing (they apply anti-aliasing after the screenshot is taken, in Photoshop). Most games nowadays use deferred rendering so they lack MSAA as a result. I've seen this happening with remasters of games that originally had MSAA as well, such as Skyrim.

Originally posted by SlyCooperFan1:

The game will indeed run at 60fps on both the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X, so I would be surprised if it was any lower on PC or even locked at all.

Yeah 'cause that's not unheard of at all :/

Originally posted by SlyCooperFan1:

Denuvo wasn't EA's doing in the first place. And it's not DRM since DRM requires you to activate the game online. Denuvo is simply anti-tamper to delay pirating. Every major video game publisher on Earth is using Denuvo now. There was no way Burnout Paradise was going to get any kind of update or re-release without Denuvo. "if you knowingly buy Denuvo games ... then you absolutely are stupid" is just a completely ignorant statement honestly. Let me know when we get some better evidence of Denuvo actually causing any kind of harm to computers.

You can read a Wikipedia article, I'm impressed. Well, demonstrate your reading abilities again by reading this:

https://whyisdenuvobad.github.io/

My main issue with Denuvo is it essentially turns every game into an always-online game by requiring constant registration. So in other words, you're not buying the game but rather renting it, since it will eventually become unplayable when Denuvo inevitably shuts down (or decides to close it's servers).

EDIT: Or the game's publisher apparently. I actually didn't know that.

I'm not buying a game if I have to pirate it anyway in a few years just to be able to play it.

Originally posted by SlyCooperFan1:

And yes, you have to log in with an Origin account to play The Ultimate Box online, therefore you are using Origin's servers.

You're such a f*cking piece of work you know that? Do I really have to record myself launching the game without Origin just to show you how wrong you are (again)?

[AlexKVideos1]

Originally posted by speed.exe has stopped working:

Originally posted by C3 Gamer Alex (AlexKVideos1):

I never said it was a good thing, I am pretty sure it is an engine issue. I was just saying if it wasn't locked, like the FPS dipping down, then there will be problems. The engine is locked at 60, so really there is nothing we can do about that unless it isn't.

You have no idea what a game engine is, do you?

Wow, you really don't think I know what a game engine is? I was saying that it is possible that the game engine they used can't go over 60FPS. There are some engines that don't, example Split/Second which is locked to 30FPS due to the engine. It would be great if this engine does go over 60FPS, but we won't know until we get the remaster.

[Mno]

Originally posted by C3 Gamer Alex (AlexKVideos1):

Originally posted by speed.exe has stopped working:

You have no idea what a game engine is, do you?

Wow, you really don't think I know what a game engine is? I was saying that it is possible that the game engine they used can't go over 60FPS. There are some engines that don't, example Split/Second which is locked to 30FPS due to the engine. It would be great if this engine does go over 60FPS, but we won't know until we get the remaster.

I'll take that as a no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_engine

[AlexKVideos1]

Originally posted by speed.exe has stopped working:

Originally posted by C3 Gamer Alex (AlexKVideos1):

Wow, you really don't think I know what a game engine is? I was saying that it is possible that the game engine they used can't go over 60FPS. There are some engines that don't, example Split/Second which is locked to 30FPS due to the engine. It would be great if this engine does go over 60FPS, but we won't know until we get the remaster.

I'll take that as a no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_engine

I'll take that as a no as well.
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/the-framerate-lock-story-explained-three-solutions-to-solve-fps-issues-for-game-developers/

"3) Not all engines have the capabilities to unlock FPS.

First of all, an engine is not a sealed box, at least most of them aren’t. If you need some piece of functionality, write it. It can be difficult to do, but still not as difficult as doing it from scratch. Secondly, if there is absolutely no way you can incorporate unlocked framerate into an engine, why are you using that engine to begin with? Thirdly, most modern engines have tools for this. The most famous one is Unity; it basically has the double loop set up already (functions Update and FixedUpdate)."

Theses guys are just remastering the game aka graphics. As far as I know they won't be working on the game engine, so we can expect to have a locked 60fps for remastered as well, unless unlocking the framerate is easy.

[SlyAceZeta]

Originally posted by speed.exe has stopped working:

Originally posted by SlyCooperFan1:

And yes, you have to log in with an Origin account to play The Ultimate Box online, therefore you are using Origin's servers.

You're such a f*cking piece of work you know that? Do I really have to record myself launching the game without Origin just to show you how wrong you are (again)?

Dude, I own the game too. I know you don't need the Origin client to play Burnout Paradise. My point is that, inside the game, the multiplayer runs on Origin's servers. We've been using EA's Origin servers for Burnout Paradise multiplayer this whole time.

[SolidSonicMania]

I started up Burnout Paradise last night and the graphics did not age that well. Particularly how it handles fog (it seems like it sacrifices texture quality by obscuring it behind the fog, which looks really nasty when you actually examine it).

I think a remastered version could do some good.

[Mno]

Originally posted by SlyCooperFan1:

Dude, I own the game too. I know you don't need the Origin client to play Burnout Paradise. My point is that, inside the game, the multiplayer runs on Origin's servers. We've been using EA's Origin servers for Burnout Paradise multiplayer this whole time.

I'm losing the will to live.

Look, you mong, they're EA servers, not Origin servers, and they are shared by several different applications. Origin is just a digital distribution platform, same as Steam. You are aware that Origin distributes non-EA games as well, right? Are you telling me Watch_Dogs 2 runs on the EA's servers?

That being said, the Steam and retail versions of Burnout Paradise don't require Origin to play in any way, shape or form. You only need an EA account, those pre-date Origin by almost a decade. Burnout Paradise pre-dates it as well.

[Moonvalley]

Originally posted by speed.exe has stopped working:

Originally posted by SlyCooperFan1:

Dude, I own the game too. I know you don't need the Origin client to play Burnout Paradise. My point is that, inside the game, the multiplayer runs on Origin's servers. We've been using EA's Origin servers for Burnout Paradise multiplayer this whole time.

I'm losing the will to live.

Look, you mong, they're EA servers, not Origin servers, and they are shared by several different applications. Origin is just a digital distribution platform, same as Steam. You are aware that Origin distributes non-EA games as well, right? Are you telling me Watch_Dogs 2 runs on the EA's servers?

That being said, the Steam and retail versions of Burnout Paradise don't require Origin to play in any way, shape or form. You only need an EA account, those pre-date Origin by almost a decade. Burnout Paradise pre-dates it as well.

i can confirm, me and a friend have played Paradise online together (he on Origin and me on Steam)

[Mno]

Originally posted by AnimeGamer:

i can confirm, me and a friend have played Paradise online together (he on Origin and me on Steam)

I'm actually still using the EA account I had back when NFS Carbon came out. I can't remember what e-mail address I registered it on so I can't merge it into my Origin account.

It works on the Origin version too, and for The Sims 2 & 3 as well.