Co-op is impossible to win

[Mr. Buckaroo]

I've played several matches with my friends so far. I've tried different techniques.
- Lay low, no symptoms, all infectious
- Agressive, hard and fast, beat the cure
- Manual adjustments, change according to how it plays out.

What happens?
1) I'm spotted
2) Cure lab instantly
3) 2 more cure labs almost right after that
4) 5x cure labs not much longer after that
5) 100% cured

Why am I upset? I'm targeted first, ALWAYS, he's hosted, I've hosted. He infected 1,000,000 people and I infected 6000. Guess who they came after, guess?

I can't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ win this game. I can only win in versus. The game makes it SOUND like I can win if I just help my friend out.

I swear I can speed-run getting cured. Lemme just clip through the map, into the center of the Earth and erradicate my disease without even infecting a country.

I tried, I tried to like multiplayer co-op. I WANTED to like multiplayer co-op but when you put up lvl 2 anti-cure, reshuffle the genome TWICE, and they STILL just cover the world in disinfectant and make your disease only able to kill itself ON NORMAL...no, I'm sorry.

You can try to tell me that it works, that it's easy, that you can win it but I feel like it's equivalent to FNAF 10/40 mode. Once I'm gone, and it's always me, my friend does a backflip and yeets into outerspace never to infect another human again. Congratulations: 91% of the population has survived.

[Apricot]

I'm TOP 10 of co-op and I'm glad to help you.It need 2 players help each other.And then u cannot kill people after infect the whole world,so you must start killing very early.You don't need to worry about the islands because you can get the flight in abilities.Beside mutiplayer is very different from main game. if u need some help you can add my steam as friend

[Olivier Batteux]

It's not an issue to be spotted at all, if you play correctly they will be dead before they would have the time to do anything.

I don't know what you do with your friend, but there mostly are 2 hypothesis :

- You don't play a coop game, but a VS game in the wrong mode. Anyone evolves everything randomly without any common strategy, and prevent the other one to take it at a decent price.

- You make enormous adaption mistakes, and you carry on the time to do something. You are an explorer of the multiplication by zero table, and never infects the world because it could take 1000 years to infect it, by multiplication by zero effect.

I'm the best player of the world in coop. I send you an friend invite, then I can show you how to play.

[Mr. Buckaroo]

idk man, infecting 2,000,000 people really early into the game with massive infectivity and practically little to no severity doesn't feel like whatever the hell multiplication by 0 is.

I could make the disease kill them all but I need to infect everyone. It wouldn't take very long but at some point their eyeballs just randomly get a 100x zoom effect and they can see everything that's not normal and then cover the world in gelatinous disinfectant before I can reach 3,000,000. After which they throw down labs which would be a problem if I was stupid and didn't use the plane option to travel there, which doesn't help because Turkey is immune to disease now or some ♥♥♥♥.

Like I said, you can try to tell me it's easy and ♥♥♥♥ but honestly when the game is on normal and acts like mega-brutal, I think something's up.

[Olivier Batteux]

Originally posted by An Abortion Clinic:

idk man, infecting 2,000,000 people really early into the game with massive infectivity and practically little to no severity doesn't feel like whatever the hell multiplication by 0 is.

Start in China with rurophobe, evolve rodents 1 and never evolve sheeps. You will have 1.4 billion of infected very fast, but you will absolutly never infect Turkey and Argentina even if you have an effective infectivity than is greater than the full pink bar. Because the multiplication by zero effect is absolute in this case.
Also, no severity at all means that you earn the minimal possible DNA, so it's a mistake.

I have played like 3000 games with random noobs, I use to see the mistakes they do.

I could make the disease kill them all but I need to infect everyone. It wouldn't take very long but at some point their eyeballs just randomly get a 100x zoom effect and they can see everything that's not normal and then cover the world in gelatinous disinfectant before I can reach 3,000,000.

You clearly don't know how to play. After you, winning in a "good" time starts at how many days ?

After which they throw down labs which would be a problem if I was stupid and didn't use the plane option to travel there, which doesn't help because Turkey is immune to disease now or some ♥♥♥♥.

The lab doesn't change anything, you can infect and kill these countries like all others.
As Turkey is only rural, it's probably one of the easiest countries to spread into fast in the world. Except if you are totally unadapted to rural countries, then your infection will be totally frozen.

Like I said, you can try to tell me it's easy and ♥♥♥♥ but honestly when the game is on normal and acts like mega-brutal, I think something's up.

There is no megabrutal in coop. Just try brutal and you will see the difference.
You just don't understand the game mechanic. Play with me and you will see that it's very easy if you take symptoms at start, if you don't make enormous adaption mistake, if you have a team strategy and not 2 players playing VS on the wrong mode.

[Olivier Batteux]

Or if you prefer reading :
http://astro52.com/plague/coop-tutorial.html

[𝔗𝔢𝔞 ❀]

Originally posted by Olivier Batteux:

Originally posted by An Abortion Clinic:

idk man, infecting 2,000,000 people really early into the game with massive infectivity and practically little to no severity doesn't feel like whatever the hell multiplication by 0 is.

Start in China with rurophobe, evolve rodents 1 and never evolve sheeps. You will have 1.4 billion of infected very fast, but you will absolutly never infect Turkey and Argentina even if you have an effective infectivity than is greater than the full pink bar. Because the multiplication by zero effect is absolute in this case.
Also, no severity at all means that you earn the minimal possible DNA, so it's a mistake.

I have played like 3000 games with random noobs, I use to see the mistakes they do.

I could make the disease kill them all but I need to infect everyone. It wouldn't take very long but at some point their eyeballs just randomly get a 100x zoom effect and they can see everything that's not normal and then cover the world in gelatinous disinfectant before I can reach 3,000,000.

You clearly don't know how to play. After you, winning in a "good" time starts at how many days ?

After which they throw down labs which would be a problem if I was stupid and didn't use the plane option to travel there, which doesn't help because Turkey is immune to disease now or some ♥♥♥♥.

The lab doesn't change anything, you can infect and kill these countries like all others.
As Turkey is only rural, it's probably one of the easiest countries to spread into fast in the world. Except if you are totally unadapted to rural countries, then your infection will be totally frozen.

Like I said, you can try to tell me it's easy and ♥♥♥♥ but honestly when the game is on normal and acts like mega-brutal, I think something's up.

There is no megabrutal in coop. Just try brutal and you will see the difference.
You just don't understand the game mechanic. Play with me and you will see that it's very easy if you take symptoms at start, if you don't make enormous adaption mistake, if you have a team strategy and not 2 players playing VS on the wrong mode.

Thanks for the information Plague-sensei.

[Syl]

One is supposed to play support while the other does everything else. Thats the whole point of coop but peoples are all playing selfish and it ends up as a "who will buy the upgrade first" fight.
Thats the only bad side of coop honestly, I used to be in the top 100 of coop (top score 363 with bacteria) and always with strangers.

As said, being spotted doesnt matter, also, you can transfer the focus until labs are created pretty easily and fast. Especially if playing with a friend.
Reshuffle genome is not worthy unless you've already spent on lethality (and have enough infectiosity to follow) AND if you spent on reducing the actual speed of cure.

Keep in mind that, more severity or lethality = faster cure, more infected peoples = faster cure.
Reshuffle will only bring back the cure a little bit behind, it wont make the cure harder. Genetic hardening does but its only worth it AFTER investing in lethality AFTER having enough infected peoples.

If you are targetted first that means you either invested in (or mutated) too much severity or lethality. A high enough severity will make you detected, if your severity/lethality is higher than your coop mate, you'll be focused first.

If one of both is detected, one HAS to have the focus, therefore it makes you both detected at once in some way.

If you do get detected you got many ways out, you can be passive and just slowly infect more peoples and spend on lethality all at once when the deaths would bring enough DNA to protect yourself from the cure and finish the game.
Or you could transfer it to your friend/coop mate, which could just tank it for you (but he will have to keep severity and lethality away to slow the cure at the most) while you infect everything. You'll get the focus back once you decide to kill but not long enough to be cured. Etc etc..

By the way as beginner I would suggest you to avoid China cause its actually harder than most peoples think, sure, you'll get 1.4B infected pretty fast, but, it'll slow you down considerably on foreign countries in early game.

You'd rather ask your friend to buy unscheduled flight and make you fly there at this point.

[Ninjack_Aus]

Yeah, it is difficult...
I feel horrible for just watching all of these responses, and just typing one sentence.

[Olivier Batteux]

Originally posted by Ninjack_Aus:

Yeah, it is difficult...
I feel horrible for just watching all of these responses, and just typing one sentence.

It's not difficult at all if the players are really playing coop, and not a versus game on the wrong mode, like most of random noobs do.

[DougFunny]

I usually use parasite, start to kill people fast, give my friend my infectivity and let him steal from me, after i'm cure I make him harder to cure and spread him with planes destroying the cure with the death skill
Add me for games ^^

[Kevin The Guide]

Originally posted by Olivier Batteux:

Originally posted by Ninjack_Aus:

Yeah, it is difficult...
I feel horrible for just watching all of these responses, and just typing one sentence.

It's not difficult at all if the players are really playing coop, and not a versus game on the wrong mode, like most of random noobs do.

You're not really being helpful lol

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