Great Story, Bad Combat - A refund.

[HCLT]

It's unfortunate that the combat feels sluggish and unfinished, but the story is well-crafted and engaging.

[Morgrum]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tom Bombathrill:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Morgrum:

So i guess Halo by your definition is also an RPG.

No that's an action game, like almost all first person shooters.

Yet it has more narrative then Fromsoft games.
And Fromsoft games are also Action Adventure games like Halo.
All be it Halo is more on rails then Souls games are.
They just are not first person shooters since they are 3rd person melee..

[DrZann]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Morgrum:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tom Bombathrill:

No that's an action game, like almost all first person shooters.

Yet it has more narrative then Fromsoft games.
And Fromsoft games are also Action Adventure games like Halo.
They just are not first person shooters since they are 3rd person melee..

Right on! I love it when Nerds argue about what belongs in what properly labeled box!

[Morgrum]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Steve:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tom Bombathrill:

Dragon age 2? Absolutely not lmao.

Yeah, I'm reading the reviews here. People loved the writing and found the narration in particular to be good at holding the story together.

What got hit was its storytelling -- the manner in which it conveyed the story.

People liked the story, but found the way it was delivered to be a bit offputting compared to Origins. The biggest problems noted were story delivery and...

Oh wow, combat was dinged for being too straightforward with the strategy system.

You, uh, you sure you didn't get this backwards and found a game with better story than gameplay?

Dragon Age 2 combat looked cool at first but became repetitive really quickly with poor party AI.

[Veraxus]

The combat feels good to me. I’d prefer a lot more blood and gore, like Dark Messiah or Vermintide, but the combat is tactical and satisfying. Maybe you need to try a different weapon combination?

[DrZann]

Oprindeligt skrevet af BonePhone776:

How's the writing compared to Pillars 1 and 2?

From what I've heard, they are not as reactive to your decisions as in the other games. A bit of a bummer.

[Morgrum]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DrZann:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Morgrum:

Yet it has more narrative then Fromsoft games.
And Fromsoft games are also Action Adventure games like Halo.
They just are not first person shooters since they are 3rd person melee..

Right on! I love it when Nerds argue about what belongs in what properly labeled box!

I mean we are nerds.
You should hear the arguments that happens at my local gameshop when folks are painting minis.

[Tom Bombathrill]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Steve:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tom Bombathrill:

Dragon age 2? Absolutely not lmao.

Yeah, I'm reading the reviews here. People loved the writing and found the narration in particular to be good at holding the story together.

What got hit was its storytelling -- the manner in which it conveyed the story.

People liked the story, but found the way it was delivered to be a bit offputting compared to Origins. The biggest problems noted were story delivery and...

Oh wow, combat was dinged for being too straightforward with the strategy system.

You, uh, you sure you didn't get this backwards and found a game with better story than gameplay?

You didn't play it? The story was legitimatly awful. The character writing was fine bit the narrative itself was for the most part agreed to be bad by fans of origins. The gameplay was simplified from origins yeah but still good for what it was. It had tons of problems due to being rushed, like reused map assesets and absurd companion quests, but it's biggest miss was definitely the main story as a whole.

[gloss]

Dark Souls is the new action role-playing game from the developers who brought you Demon’s Souls, FromSoftware - Bandai Namco. What was that about it not being a rpg? I mean serious? the clue is in the damn name

[DrZann]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Morgrum:

Oprindeligt skrevet af DrZann:

Right on! I love it when Nerds argue about what belongs in what properly labeled box!

I mean we are nerds.
You should hear the arguments that happens at my local gameshop when folks are painting minis.

Haha. Same in my neck of the woods. There's always a table of guys painting miniatures next to our weekly D&D table. Those Warhammer enthusiasts get up in some strange ♥♥♥♥.

[Frostfeather]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Steve:

Oprindeligt skrevet af night4:

I suppose that means you know you're wrong and you just personally prefer games with whatever makes a story "good" to you.

Oh, I'm sure. So, when was Any released?

I see you agree then.

[What]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Boboscus:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Steve:

...then why even look at an RPG at all? That's their main draw -- story.

Why are you here? Did you get lost?

Where the hell did you pull that from? ROLE PLAYING GAME, not a single hint at a story, if anything, it hints at GAMEPLAY from a perspective of a ROLE; thus the whole idea behind the abbreviation.

You're confused. A role by definition is the representation of a specific character in a story. You are assuming a role in a play, movie, video game, etc. You are a character often among other characters as part of the plot. In a role playing game, you assume the role of a character in a story with a narrative. Hence, having a 'role'. This is the core mechanics of a role playing game. Without a narrative there is no role to assume in the plot. Take a survival game for instance, it does not require a narrative. You simply survive. A role is not assumed.

You say "from the perspective of a ROLE" A role in what? Without a story there is no role to play.

[Tom Bombathrill]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Morgrum:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tom Bombathrill:

No that's an action game, like almost all first person shooters.

Yet it has more narrative then Fromsoft games.
And Fromsoft games are also Action Adventure games like Halo.
All be it Halo is more on rails then Souls games are.
They just are not first person shooters since they are 3rd person melee..

the key element is the ability to actively "roleplay" as a character within the game world, making choices that shape the story and their character's abilities.

[Daevinski]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mike:

I'm not defending this game but some of the most beloved first person RPGs have jank combat with decent story/lore. Morrowind, Oblivion, New Vegas, Skyrim,...etc all have JANK combat yet people still play and praise those games.

How is it any different here?

It's 2025, man. We can't settle for jankiness anymore.

[gloss]

Oprindeligt skrevet af What:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Boboscus:

Where the hell did you pull that from? ROLE PLAYING GAME, not a single hint at a story, if anything, it hints at GAMEPLAY from a perspective of a ROLE; thus the whole idea behind the abbreviation.

You're confused. A role by definition is the representation of a specific character in a story. You are assuming a role in a play, movie, video game, etc. You are a character often among other characters as part of the plot. In a role playing game, you assume the role of a character in a story with a narrative. Hence, having a 'role'. This is the core mechanics of a role playing game. Without a narrative there is no role to assume in the plot. Take a survival game for instance, it does not require a narrative. You simply survive. A role is not assumed.

You say "from the perspective of a ROLE" A role in what? Without a story there is no role to play.

I can't believe you have to actually spell it out to them like children to grasp simple concepts.

[Morgrum]

Oprindeligt skrevet af gloss:

Dark Souls is the new action role-playing game from the developers who brought you Demon’s Souls, FromSoftware - Bandai Namco. What was that about it not being a rpg? I mean serious? the clue is in the damn name

Is it?

The developers describe the content like this:
“Outriders is a RPG-Shooter with aggressive gunplay and intense action. As such, blood and gore is frequent, and core to the experience. The Outriders unique abilities are as violent as the shooting, with bloody and gruesome methods for dispatching of enemies. The world of Enoch is dark and desperate, and the characters that inhabit the world are equally so. The game has strong language, adult theme and scenes some may find distressing. ”
( not my writing this is from steam )

Folks can brand things how they want to try to grab folks interest.
Outsiders like Dark Souls is an action adventure.

Dark fantasy setting or sci fi does not make it an RPG.
If it does then pretty much every game on the market should now have the sci fi or fantasy rpg tag.