Missed out on Dancer

[Isaxus]

Did the quest all in one generation as was recommended, but didn't return to the water twice... Was there even a quest marker for it after the first time? Did it early and had to trek through the whole world as well lol. It's so over, don't make the same mistake I did and live in regret

[AliceShiki]

Don't you have any earlier save you can load on?

But yes, to clear the Mermaid Quest, you need to use the Mermaid Potion 3x... I think the game kinda makes it intuitive enough that you need to do that tbh, but... Well, sorry to hear it, I guess.

[SuperBearCat]

"Was there even a quest marker for it after the first time? "

There's none. I got confused and almost left the area as well.
You have to go back to water immediately after the cutscene twice to actually finish the quest, danced with Mermaid 3 times and generation skip. then visit Atlantica tavern again to actually recruit Dancer

[Mr. Slam]

I also thought something was wrong after the timeskip and there wasn't a quest marker or any indication that the last step was to go back to Atlantica and meet the descendant of the union between the mermaid and the emperor. It feels like an oversight to me.

[Isaxus]

Originally posted by SuperBearCat:

"Was there even a quest marker for it after the first time? "

There's none. I got confused and almost left the area as well.
You have to go back to water immediately after the cutscene twice to actually finish the quest, danced with Mermaid 3 times and generation skip. then visit Atlantica tavern again to actually recruit Dancer

I'm not sure there's enough unique content to replay either... I can think of two quests, the problem of succession and Diviner one. Hopefully there's more to justify NG+

[SuperBearCat]

Originally posted by Isaxus:

Originally posted by SuperBearCat:

"Was there even a quest marker for it after the first time? "

There's none. I got confused and almost left the area as well.
You have to go back to water immediately after the cutscene twice to actually finish the quest, danced with Mermaid 3 times and generation skip. then visit Atlantica tavern again to actually recruit Dancer

I'm not sure there's enough unique content to replay either... I can think of two quests, the problem of succession and Diviner one. Hopefully there's more to justify NG+

There's also Corsair Quest, fighting Bokhon without Strategist and killing/not killing Narwhal.
and Romancing super hard difficulty if you're into challenge.
Yeah the scenario variation is quite minor story-wise that for me personally it's not worth replaying. There are tons of other good games out there to play, including other Romancing Saga games.

Dancer is super good, but can easily be replaced with any Ranger-type (Bow/Rapier) class with some magic training for Heals and stuff. Water Magic damage is kinda garbage I don't like using Water offensively.

[Isaxus]

Originally posted by AliceShiki:

Don't you have any earlier save you can load on?

But yes, to clear the Mermaid Quest, you need to use the Mermaid Potion 3x... I think the game kinda makes it intuitive enough that you need to do that tbh, but... Well, sorry to hear it, I guess.

It's not intuitive tho, the quest even cleared/finished and warned against using potion 3x, presumably meaning emperor reset. And the potion is usable in other situations as well like accessing underwater dungeon

[Isaxus]

Originally posted by SuperBearCat:

Originally posted by Isaxus:

I'm not sure there's enough unique content to replay either... I can think of two quests, the problem of succession and Diviner one. Hopefully there's more to justify NG+

There's also Corsair Quest, fighting Bokhon without Strategist and killing/not killing Narwhal.
and Romancing super hard difficulty if you're into challenge.
Yeah the scenario variation is quite minor story-wise that for me personally it's not worth replaying. There are tons of other good games out there to play, including other Romancing Saga games.

Dancer is super good, but can easily be replaced with any Ranger-type (Bow/Rapier) class with some magic training for Heals and stuff. Water Magic damage is kinda garbage I don't like using Water offensively.

Maybe if techs/spells/classes transferred it would be justifiable. Feels like NG+ wasn't thought through much, which is kinda surprising

[SuperBearCat]

Originally posted by Isaxus:

Originally posted by SuperBearCat:

There's also Corsair Quest, fighting Bokhon without Strategist and killing/not killing Narwhal.
and Romancing super hard difficulty if you're into challenge.
Yeah the scenario variation is quite minor story-wise that for me personally it's not worth replaying. There are tons of other good games out there to play, including other Romancing Saga games.

Dancer is super good, but can easily be replaced with any Ranger-type (Bow/Rapier) class with some magic training for Heals and stuff. Water Magic damage is kinda garbage I don't like using Water offensively.

Maybe if techs/spells/classes transferred it would be justifiable. Feels like NG+ wasn't thought through much, which is kinda surprising

It should really be like Triangle Strategy where NG+ you carry over EVERYTHING, including enemy strength (battle count).
This way you wouldn't need to even think about grinding and unlocking stuff, just pure focus on the battle challenge on higher difficulty.
I think you get abilities like 0 BP consumption and other overpowered stuff in Post-game, that should balance out the harder NG+ enemy

[Mr. Slam]

Originally posted by Isaxus:

Maybe if techs/spells/classes transferred it would be justifiable. Feels like NG+ wasn't thought through much, which is kinda surprising

Not transferring techs and spells is more than fine considering you keep all your gear, the stat grind is what keeps you wanting to see that meter fill and level up and if you filled out the Mr. S card and the TP gain accessory, getting up to speed is a non-issue and final Mr. S bonus double glimmer chance.
I would have liked to keep the classes too, but even your favorite classes can't glimmer all the techs of their favored weapon. At least you keep their abilities and formations and if you unlocked Umbrology you can use it in NG+ and you won't have to sacrifice Comroon, losing access to the Salamanders(And the Iris, if you didn't do Minstrel and the Iris prior to the volcanic eruption).
NG+ is fine, you're just entitled.

[Chester]

I see NG+ as mainly a challenge mode (especially now that I've started romancing). Strangely enough, not carrying over techs and spells helps with this - early enemies are not so much of a threat that you need the higher level skills and re-sparking everything is kind of fun (you also should have some gear with built in higher levels spells if you're desperate). Also, now that you know where everything is and how the game operates, you can go through the open world and be in much more control of how events play out and what strength you'll be when you face each challenge (especially compared to if you didn't follow a guide on the first runthrough). It's not for everybody, but if a challenge run of this game sounds in any way appealing, I'd recommend giving it a try.

[AliceShiki]

Originally posted by Isaxus:

It's not intuitive tho, the quest even cleared/finished and warned against using potion 3x, presumably meaning emperor reset. And the potion is usable in other situations as well like accessing underwater dungeon

I dunno, you're having a romance with a mermaid, and you get a warning that you can't use the potion 3x or you can't leave the sea... Isn't it intuitive that you need to use the potion 3x to finish the romance? To me this was pretty obvious.

Dunno, maybe it's because I played the original version where quest markers and quest logs weren't a thing, so I just worked with what the game's dialogue told me, but to me the ending of this quest was absolutely very intuitive... The rest of the quest OTOH was much harder to figure out.

Originally posted by Isaxus:

Maybe if techs/spells/classes transferred it would be justifiable. Feels like NG+ wasn't thought through much, which is kinda surprising

NG+ wasn't even a thing in the original. It was only added in the remaster as a way to let you quickly stomp through the game and do different scenarios.

Remake kept the NG+ feature of the Remasters, and added some extra NG+ exclusive difficulties, but said difficulties are just stat hikes with nothing else behind them, so... Yeah, it absolutely didn't have much thought behind it. It was just an add on to let you steamroll the game and do other versions of scenarios more easily, with the added bonus (?) of having extra difficulties that are mostly easier than the Classic Mode because you have access to OP gear from the start.

This isn't a game designed around NG+. NG+ is just an add-on here. A good add-on for sure, because guide-making without NG+ is a pain, and so is grabbing screenshots and the like, but definitely nothing special.

[nekohybrid2017]

Originally posted by Isaxus:

Originally posted by AliceShiki:

Don't you have any earlier save you can load on?

But yes, to clear the Mermaid Quest, you need to use the Mermaid Potion 3x... I think the game kinda makes it intuitive enough that you need to do that tbh, but... Well, sorry to hear it, I guess.

It's not intuitive tho, the quest even cleared/finished and warned against using potion 3x, presumably meaning emperor reset. And the potion is usable in other situations as well like accessing underwater dungeon

Actually it is intuitive. The witch did warn about the potion’s limitations that it can only be used 3 times. That alone should warrant curiosity of what will happen if you do. It’s the Splash scenario.

[Minneyar]

As a general rule of thumb, any time a character in an RPG warns you not to do something, you should do it. Save beforehand just in case it's a trap, but definitely do it.

[Bike Knight]

Originally posted by Mr. Slam:

and you won't have to sacrifice Comroon, losing access to the Salamanders(And the Iris, if you didn't do Minstrel and the Iris prior to the volcanic eruption)

I found today that I could recruit the Iris just fine even though I failed to stop the Wrathfount from blowing up before I had even discovered Yuyan. The only place on Camroon that seems to matter for the minstrel quest is the tablet archive building (which is conveniently the only building left standing in Zemio). Maybe it's because I didn't do the stone boat access method until after the volcano exploded?

[AliceShiki]

Originally posted by Bike Knight:

I found today that I could recruit the Iris just fine even though I failed to stop the Wrathfount from blowing up before I had even discovered Yuyan. The only place on Camroon that seems to matter for the minstrel quest is the tablet archive building (which is conveniently the only building left standing in Zemio). Maybe it's because I didn't do the stone boat access method until after the volcano exploded?

Ah, this is a change implemented in the remake to let you complete Minstrel Quest regardless of Comroon's state.

In the original you'd miss out on Minstrel Quest if Comroon went poof before you got its instrument, but now they changed it to let the archive building intact.