What's with all the hate?

[Ampersands]

This is a great game but all I've seen for the past few days is complaining and whining. It seems everywhere I turn, somebody has something negative to say, whether it's about the game not being free, bringing nothing new to the genre, being sexist, ect.

[headpie]

Peacock has low mobility and her pokes have pretty terrible range. Combo execution seems a little stricter than your average skull girl, but that could just be me and doesn't really affect high-level play. But yea, Peacock is a beast in the right hands :P

[Leezeebub]

I haven't seen any hate...

There were one or two topics asking why steam said the game was free and another complaining about bewbs, but other than that its been hate free.

Maybe TC is just overly sensitive?

[ikki]

People who like the game mostly just shut up and play it

[WarPigeon]

Note: I actually do like the game and its art style, though the following posts may make it seem otherwise if you aren't reading carefully.

Publicado originalmente por pollo:

3) The game is sexist= It´s just art, not a legit complain, if you don´t like it fine but still the gameplay and mecanics are objectibly good.

OOC why is it not a legitimate complaint? If someone feels like the art is sexist, then surely it's pretty hard to avoid if you want to actually play the game.

Publicado originalmente por Marine:

3. "Sexist" -- The really funny thing here is that it's probably just because some characters are big-chested (if you ask me, there's a decent bit of physical diversity in the character designs). Simple and minimalized outfits allow mobility, etc, it makes logical sense given the universe and the fact that this is a fighting game. Or are people calling the game sexist because all of the playables are female, and it's supposedly sexist to men that way? :p Either way, invalid complaint.

I don't think it has to do with the fact that a few of the characters are big-chested so much as the fact that many of the characters have at least a few sexualized aspects to their design (emphasis on other body parts, suggestive animations, etc). Besides, it's completely possible for a character to have big breasts without being sexualized at all (though unfortunately that's not the case here).

Also, the minimalized outfits in the game definitely would not enhance mobilty. If anything, they'd hinder it because the characters would constantly have their own ginormous boobs slapping them in the face. If they were really concerned with mobility they'd all be wearing unassuming sports bras.

Publicado originalmente por Tejan:

I've never understood the complaint of over-sexualization in fighting games. I played DOA5 for quite awhile and I was never staring at the chest of my opponent or trying to see their panties, I was almost always watching the hands and feet of the character to make sure I didn't whiff holds and get destroyed because I whiffed and they got a good punish in.
The same thought goes for Skullgirls. I'm never focused on the Val or Bella cleavage I'm trying to follow their character to keep myself from getting destroyed.

I think the point is that people who think this is sexist are the ones who are distracted by the character designs. It'd be like if there were a fighter game that had "package physics" so that all of the well-endowed male characters could be properly animated in all their glory. Now, you personally might not find that distracting, but you have to admit that there is probably a good amount of gamers who would be uncomfortable with that kind of art direction.

Publicado originalmente por Tejan:

I understand that the art is what draws people in, but let's be honest every game has some sort of eye candy to keep straight men paying attention. I mean why would Karin in Street Fighter wear panties over her shorts? Why does Rainbow Mika have hearts on her boobs? It's easy to find something sexist in every game if you look, Skullgirls just has more females, and a smaller roster, so it's easy to find them.

Fixed the above quote for you, because I don't think everybody is interested in Rainbow Mika's boob hearts. =)

Publicado originalmente por Ender:

- "I don't like the character art style, it oversexualised" - I don't mind character design at all, but i can see where you are coming from. If this is big enough to make you not enjoy the game don't buy it. I would like to point in the hope that it would mke you feel better about the game that writing wise the characters are very good, the cast is very diveres with every character have their won heroic motivations and thing that make them stick out. And all characters have really cool elements that make them badass and are not based around sexiness.

Also, I would add that the character designs for the non-sexualized characters are really quite good. Some of the best in the genre IMO.

[Joe's SFPC Gaming Channel]

For me a game with all female characters with big jiggly boobs was a selling point.

[Brandon]

Publicado originalmente por WarPigeon:

Also, I would add that the character designs for the non-sexualized characters are really quite good. Some of the best in the genre IMO.

I've grown pretty tired of the boob controversy, but I have to agree with this point. Peacock has become one my favorite fighting game characters of all time simply due to her style, and I have a lot of respect for Painwheel's design, even if she's nearly impossible for me to play. Some of the characters with big boobs are unbelievably cliche and fanserviced. You have a sexy nurse and a Schoolgirl. They didn't exactly tap the well of innovation there. It's like they chose to sell sex rather than be creative.

[Blazedol]

Publicado originalmente por Evolution169:

Publicado originalmente por WarPigeon:

Also, I would add that the character designs for the non-sexualized characters are really quite good. Some of the best in the genre IMO.

I've grown pretty tired of the boob controversy, but I have to agree with this point. Peacock has become one my favorite fighting game characters of all time simply due to her style, and I have a lot of respect for Painwheel's design, even if she's nearly impossible for me to play. Some of the characters with big boobs are unbelievably cliche and fanserviced. You have a sexy nurse and a Schoolgirl. They didn't exactly tap the well of innovation there. It's like they chose to sell sex rather than be creative.

I still think Filia's a pretty original and creative character, what with the living transforming hair and all.
Valentine? Eh, story's all right. I guess.
Maybe not.
No.

[Clocky]

Publicado originalmente por Raimius:

For me a game with all female characters with big jiggly boobs was a selling point.

Dunno, the art style doesn't look remotely designed to arouse the player.

[TAG]

Publicado originalmente por WarPigeon:

I don't think it has to do with the fact that a few of the characters are big-chested so much as the fact that many of the characters have at least a few sexualized aspects to their design (emphasis on other body parts, suggestive animations, etc). Besides, it's completely possible for a character to have big breasts without being sexualized at all (though unfortunately that's not the case here).

Name a character in the roster who fits the following description:

a) Sexualized
b) Isn't Valentine

[Blazedol]

Publicado originalmente por TAG:

Publicado originalmente por WarPigeon:

I don't think it has to do with the fact that a few of the characters are big-chested so much as the fact that many of the characters have at least a few sexualized aspects to their design (emphasis on other body parts, suggestive animations, etc). Besides, it's completely possible for a character to have big breasts without being sexualized at all (though unfortunately that's not the case here).

Also, the minimalized outfits in the game definitely would not enhance mobilty. If anything, they'd hinder it because the characters would constantly have their own ginormous boobs slapping them in the face. If they were really concerned with mobility they'd all be wearing unassuming sports bras.

Also, I would add that the character designs for the non-sexualized characters are really quite good. Some of the best in the genre IMO.

Name a character who fits the following description:

a) Sexualized
b) Isn't Valentine

Cerbella[images.wikia.com]

[Clocky]

That looks about as sensual as Jessica Rabbit or the Nurse from Animaniacs. As in, while intended to evoke the image of "sexy woman", it's not really fapbait material like, say, Ivy from soul Calibur.

[TAG]

Publicado originalmente por Blaze the Ass-Hat:

Publicado originalmente por TAG:

Also, I would add that the character designs for the non-sexualized characters are really quite good. Some of the best in the genre IMO.

Name a character who fits the following description:

a) Sexualized
b) Isn't Valentine

Cerbella[images.wikia.com]

Saw this answer coming. That's not her being sexualized for the sake of eyecandy; that's being sexualized for the sake of her character (she works for a mob boss and basically has to do what he says). It makes sense for who she is, her profession, and the people she's involved with.

[TWERKIN4JESUS]

Wahh! The game isn't free and I'm too poor to do anything about it! Minimum wage jobs are too hard to find! Mom won't give me my allowance! My friends won't loan me any more money since I haven't paid back that $5 I borrowed in middle school!

[WarPigeon]

Publicado originalmente por Evolution169:

Publicado originalmente por WarPigeon:

Also, I would add that the character designs for the non-sexualized characters are really quite good. Some of the best in the genre IMO.

I've grown pretty tired of the boob controversy, but I have to agree with this point. Peacock has become one my favorite fighting game characters of all time simply due to her style, and I have a lot of respect for Painwheel's design, even if she's nearly impossible for me to play. Some of the characters with big boobs are unbelievably cliche and fanserviced. You have a sexy nurse and a Schoolgirl. They didn't exactly tap the well of innovation there. It's like they chose to sell sex rather than be creative.

That's my main problem with the sexualization in the game. It's like the devs just went down a list of fan-service cliches when designing some of the characters. All the more disappointing is that many of the characters that didn't make it into the game are much more imaginative and have a much wider range of body types.

Publicado originalmente por Blaze the Ass-Hat:

Publicado originalmente por Evolution169:

I've grown pretty tired of the boob controversy, but I have to agree with this point. Peacock has become one my favorite fighting game characters of all time simply due to her style, and I have a lot of respect for Painwheel's design, even if she's nearly impossible for me to play. Some of the characters with big boobs are unbelievably cliche and fanserviced. You have a sexy nurse and a Schoolgirl. They didn't exactly tap the well of innovation there. It's like they chose to sell sex rather than be creative.

I still think Filia's a pretty original and creative character, what with the living transforming hair and all.

What bugs me about her character is the constant bounce and panty shots you see in her animations, especially given the fact that she is underage. I haven't played her storyline yet, but what the heck is that supposed to add to her characterization? Maybe it's just me, but putting a cool idea on a sexual cliche just makes the cliche all the more irritating.

Publicado originalmente por TAG:

Publicado originalmente por WarPigeon:

I don't think it has to do with the fact that a few of the characters are big-chested so much as the fact that many of the characters have at least a few sexualized aspects to their design (emphasis on other body parts, suggestive animations, etc). Besides, it's completely possible for a character to have big breasts without being sexualized at all (though unfortunately that's not the case here).

Name a character in the roster who fits the following description:

a) Sexualized
b) Isn't Valentine

Well, if you really want to open that can of worms...

Double: Hot nun stereotype.

Filia: Hot schoolgirl stereotype, panty shots

Ms. Fortune: Constant underboob fanservice

Parasoul: Hot commander stereotype

and the aforementioned Cerebella.

Add in to the mix that most of the above characters have animations and body posture that emphasize their body parts or sexuality. What's more, except for Ms. Fortune, all of the above characters have roughly the same "Big T&A" body type, with only minor tweaks in proportions (and no, this is not simply the "Skullgirls art style", if you need proof check out the list of proposed expansion characters at http://www.labzerogames.com/3rdcharacter/ to see the wide variety of body types that could be in the game).

Now some disclaimers: Just because a character is sexual doesn't necessarily mean it is bad. I'm not against characters like this so much as I want to see more characters that aren't like this.

Publicado originalmente por TAG:

Publicado originalmente por Blaze the Ass-Hat:

Cerbella[images.wikia.com]

Saw this answer coming. That's not her being sexualized for the sake of eyecandy; that's being sexualized for the sake of her character (she works for a mob boss and basically has to do what he says). It makes sense for who she is, her profession, and the people she's involved with.

Given the sexualization present in the rest of the game I would say it's both, actually. Especially because much of her sexualization appears to be directed at a male audience. To be fair though, I haven't played her storyline yet, so I'll let you know what I think after I get a chance to do so.

[76561198086616563]

Personally when I played(and dev'ed) this game for the first time I thought about the sexualization. I got over it though. I dont think its a big deal but maybe others will? I wouldnt blame the devs though because there is one person in charge of character design.

Think about everything else (ads for products(food!, cars, clothes, anime)) that uses it and think to yourself is it really that bad? If you think so, then maybe this isnt the game for you...