Is it supposed to be THAT hard to beat Marie... with Valentine?

[DireSquidGuy]

I've beaten Marie with all 8 characters (Peacock I initially thought was the hardest to use against her)... then came Valentine, who most of her special attacks cannot be used against Marie (EKG Flatline, for example, along with her dropping grapple and her Forbidden technique), and I find using her scalpel barrage is a pain to execute, and applying venom is almost redundant.

I HONESTLY had to beat Marie with Valentine by playing a game of parrying and blocking to try and not die. Now, mind you, I beat Marie at least on the 2nd try with Filia, Cerebella and Parasoul, the 3rd try with Painwheel, the 1st try with Ms. Fortune and Double, and probably the 10th try with Peacock... but Valentine took notably longer than even Peacock did, for me.

I know I'm not fighting game pro, but am I doing something wrong, or is the fight supposed to be a bit nerfed against her?

[Shado]

Yes because BETRAYAL WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!!!!

[DireSquidGuy]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Shadoninjayt:

Yes because BETRAYAL WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!!!!

Most appropriate answer, yet. Acceptable!

[Orsiene]

I just spammed HP the entire time.

[Yolomancer]

Spam the dash and the knife throw blockbuster.

[The Grim Heaper]

One way I've found to beat Marie with Valentine was to spam LK and MK Savage Bypass. Not only can you do it while airborne and use it to dodge her shadow, you can quickly recover after one and follow up with another. It's great for keeping her hitstunned, and works wonders against her 2nd and 3rd forms.

If nothing else, you could try using airborne Checkmate Incision. Deals a great deal of damage, and it allows you to follow up with additional attacks if you're quick enough.

[NatSpectrum]

The only way I could defeat Marie with Valentine was by literally not giving a ♥♥♥♥ and just mashing every button on my controller and hoping for the best.

[Snackysnacks]

i think you could beat her on nightmare only using savage bypass

[WeeabooJudas]

And don't forget your poison, you might notice she can't block it.

[Amordia]

I did marie hard with valentine (with so much tries), you have to be patient and see for an opening, I myself use j.MP j.HP cancel to get close to marie (never be on a side too long cause she'll start spamming skulls) and deal nice chewing damage, use your bypass, throw shuriken/darts at the bomb skeletons (the standing one that deals damage if touched), try to block the shadow's attack (it's the most hurting along with traveling skulls). and don't forget to spam incision it deals good damage..

[DireSquidGuy]

Początkowo opublikowane przez WeeabooJudas:

And don't forget your poison, you might notice she can't block it. :profgenki:

I was able to pull it off... once (move lag).

[madhaha]

Use the hp damage poison. You can charge it 3 times doing a set amount of damage (30%?) That gets you to stage 3 where you can finish with Valentine's j.HP->Air dash cancel -> j.HP

[SilverMoon5570]

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Grim Heaper:

One way I've found to beat Marie with Valentine was to spam LK and MK Savage Bypass. Not only can you do it while airborne and use it to dodge her shadow, you can quickly recover after one and follow up with another. It's great for keeping her hitstunned, and works wonders against her 2nd and 3rd forms.

If nothing else, you could try using airborne Checkmate Incision. Deals a great deal of damage, and it allows you to follow up with additional attacks if you're quick enough.

THANK YOU SO MUCH! I had been trying for so long to beat her and when I used this it killed her pretty much instantly!

[TowardsTheFutureBITCHES]

Is it supposed to be THAT hard to beat Marie... with ELIZA????? Yea.... Come talk to me when you beat her with that b i t c h.... THANKS.........

[DireSquidGuy]

Początkowo opublikowane przez TowardsTheFutureBitches:

Is it supposed to be THAT hard to beat Marie... with ELIZA????? Yea.... Come talk to me when you beat her with that b i t c h.... THANKS.........

Great job answering a Four-year old post, kid. Next time, try to NOT respond to a necrobumped old thread. Thanks.

[Hiro Protagonest]

He didn't necro it. The guy above him necroed it.

Also I don't recall having any notable trouble with Eliza. Beowulf is the only character that she gave me a hard time as. Eliza does lots of damage per hit. I just did it again to see... spam the boat in the first two phases, she has projectile armor. Everything Marie does is a projectile. Osiris Spiral can stun Marie, but you have to know her attack patterns. Just doing Atun Array probably works too with blocking and a bit of luck.