A suggestion to those upset with the changes

[amishman53]

First and foremost.. i don't own the game, but I'm aware of whats going on, watched a before and after changes video.. blah blah

If your upset with these changes, rightfully so, their's a few things that you'll have to come together as a community to do about it. Review bombing, sure, it grabs attention.. but if steam catches wind they'll likely 'fix' it. Also.. it doesn't really do anything, might prevent a few sales.. but if someone knows about what caused it then they can easily make a decision on purchase based on all-time reviews instead.

So.. what can you do?

At the very minimum.. stop playing the game and don't purchase anything else. Not purchasing is obvious, supports the devs with money. Why stop playing the game is because player numbers. If the game dies down so much that online matches can barely be found, the choice to monetize the game further as a business becomes risky. They are already banking on getting woke crowds attention onto their game.. lets see if that crowd is willing to fund them. To purchase the IP, fire original devs, and make these changes says they plan to make money of this. Simply not being a player number that gives new players someone to play against can help towards sending that message, and potentially getting them to reverse the decision (or at least, make it a toggle, like it should have been).

More potently, start requesting refunds as a community. Inform steam in the comment box why you are requesting a refund. Be decently detailed on this, as i presume a good portion of you are way outside the bounds of the normal policy. These refunds only come partially out of steams pocket, while the rest comes out of the new devs who didn't make the money off the IP. And that's where it'll be an especially hard decision for steam to actually allow such refund, but at a minimum this will send an even greater message.. that your not just blowing off steam and are serious to hit them in the money. Given the fact they've gone as far as fully remove content, theirs still a chance steam will honor the refund. And of course, if you haven't spent more then 2 hours in-game, the steam policy still runs as is.

Why am I posting this if i don't own the game? I'm already sick of the modern gaming landscape. Woke agenda's being forced into a game, in-app purchases that ask me to pay a third of the price of the game for a skin that should've given value to the game itself as a reward in some sidequest or something, and release now and fix later shennanigans.. i'm just so done with it. This all exists already because consumers won't band together and actually show these greedy corporations that they actually do care and have a problem with it. People are still hype for Starfield after Fallout 76, Diablo 4 after Immortal.. this concept that if they don't engage in the in-app purchases they aren't supporting it.. but buying the game itself does that. If this is allowed with skullgirls, it can spread through the industry. The concept that you don't own anything you buy.. it's becoming more truer by the day.

[Sharp299]

It's what I did when the censorship of 2015, and I've been boycotting for more than 8 years... As you can see, it didn't work, my faith in the modding community never left, I guess now if they succeeded. anyway thanks for support

[MONSTERDROID]

Originally posted by Sharp299:

It's what I did when the censorship of 2015, and I've been boycotting for more than 8 years... As you can see, it didn't work, my faith in the modding community never left, I guess now if they succeeded. anyway thanks for support :qlexcellent:

I think the main issue is no one knew about the censorship wave of 2015, because it wasn't a huge community update post that caught everyones eyes like the content & revisions update was.

There is certainly far more backlash this time than last time.

The only censorship they've done that I agree with is the removal of Juju & changing the crosses from red to pinkish, since they were both legal obligations.

[gmAN]

Refund requested. I severely doubt they will honour it though, but I let them know that if I was forced to keep it I would simply mod the content I wanted back in AND I'd still be able to leave a negative review of the product.

[Sharp299]

Originally posted by MONSTERDROID:

Originally posted by Sharp299:

It's what I did when the censorship of 2015, and I've been boycotting for more than 8 years... As you can see, it didn't work, my faith in the modding community never left, I guess now if they succeeded. anyway thanks for support

I think the main issue is no one new about the censorship wave of 2015, because it wasn't a huge community update post that caught everyones eyes like the content & revisions update was.

There is certainly far more backlash this time than last time.

The only censorship they've done that I agree with is the removal of Juju & changing the crosses from red to pinkish, since they were both legal obligations.

yup, noone was against the crosses and juju debacle (she was an ugly designed character anyway i preferred Ms. Victoria design)...

[amishman53]

Originally posted by Sharp299:

It's what I did when the censorship of 2015, and I've been boycotting for more than 8 years... As you can see, it didn't work, my faith in the modding community never left, I guess now if they succeeded. anyway thanks for support :qlexcellent:

I have a decent boycott list.. bethesda, activision/blizzard, ubisoft.. If theirs any solace i take in how nothing has changed, it's that the overall effect on the terrible practices of these companies have had to me in the past 10+ years is none, and the money I otherwise would've put down was going to go into the CEO's pockets regardless, as the devs don't really get paid more because of better sales (maybe bonuses, but they can do without my sales penny).

Skullgirls player count on steam charts shows an all-time peak of <4000. It wouldn't take a whole lot to send a message on just percentages. If you haven't touched the game tho in recent times, then you just keep what you doing XD

Could someone here elaborate on the censorship of 2015? I'm completely unaware of this. Far as i know, the original devs still had the game at that time right?

[1.2M | Missingno.]

A few off-model frames got redrawn, and it wasn't the first time they'd done so. Three of these frames happened to have panties in them, so idiots tried to spin it as cEnSoRsHiP.

[Tactical Turtle Neck]

it wasn't off model.

[Kyrion]

Originally posted by Tactical Turtle Neck:

it wasn't off model.

Do not feed the troll

[1.2M | Missingno.]

Please, explain how it makes logical sense for Cerecopter to blow her skirt up. They've addressed it several times explaining that they were off-model, as were the rest of the redrawn frames.

[MONSTERDROID]

Originally posted by HI♪ Missingno.:

A few off-model frames got redrawn, and it wasn't the first time they'd done so. Three of these frames happened to have panties in them, so idiots tried to spin it as cEnSoRsHiP.

Alex Ahad was not happy when they had to censor his work, a lot of the "off model" stuff were more than likely an excuse garnered by the devs.

[amishman53]

Originally posted by HI♪ Missingno.:

A few off-model frames got redrawn, and it wasn't the first time they'd done so. Three of these frames happened to have panties in them, so idiots tried to spin it as cEnSoRsHiP.

If the frames were off-model.. why would they remove elements? Something that's off-model means it doesn't match the style or design of the rest of the project. If it was a redrawing, would make more sense to me to replicate what is in that frame, fixing this styling or design issue along the way.

Not trying to discredit your view of the events or opinion on them.. my searches have a little trouble yielding results as what is currently going on pops at the top of those searches.. but i feel more info would be needed for me to take a side on that. For example, how many frames? Even i'm not so attentive as to notice 3 separate instances of censorship across the course of a year, so for 3 of those frames in a fix-up pass to have panties in them, i would argue the total number of frames that got this fixing matters a lot. A couple extra's could be throw-aways to make a fixing the style argument believable, while censorship be the actual goal. Not saying that's the case, just saying a possibility on my limited information.

Also.. i wouldn't throw them off as idiots trying to spin a narrative. With each passing year the push for censorship has grown.. lots of loud people on social media echo-chambering as wrong-think gets modded with shadow-bans (or worst) and the end result ends up being the minority voice sounding like the majority. Today, fat is fit, ugly is pretty, and gay isn't simply accepted but required. Businesses see this and try to stay in line for fears of media bombing them for things that for the prior time-line of ever has been fine if not welcomed. I think it's easy to assume that this 2015 thing was a sprinkle of censorship under a guise of some other purpose. They want to be in the news cycle to grab new players to buy their game.. but they don't want to be in the news cycle for the wrong reasons.. and skullgirls in modern day is an easy target to complain about by people who actually don't care a thing about it, but care about the clicks. The business, if they swing it right, can enter that news cycle with a positive message for potential new players. Thus, a little censorship prior or with an otherwise good update might achieve that goal, and other fixings tacked on in hopes to cloak the real purpose.

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[1.2M | Missingno.]

Originally posted by MONSTERDROID:

Alex Ahad was not happy when they had to censor his work, a lot of the "off model" stuff were more than likely an excuse garnered by the devs.

[citation needed]

Alex was still part of Lab Zero in 2015.

[amishman53]

Forgot to mention something regarding the refund requests. Not sure honestly if it would matter, but theoretically it very well can. If you add the money to your steam wallet, you send a message to steam that you will spend it back on the platform, which overall means they don't lose money and it's only the devs of the game.

I'm not sure if theirs a way to put that money back into a card after the fact.. that would certainly make it not matter. But.. if not.. it might help steam process the refund in your favor.

[Sharp299]

Originally posted by amishman53:

Originally posted by Sharp299:

It's what I did when the censorship of 2015, and I've been boycotting for more than 8 years... As you can see, it didn't work, my faith in the modding community never left, I guess now if they succeeded. anyway thanks for support

I have a decent boycott list.. bethesda, activision/blizzard, ubisoft.. If theirs any solace i take in how nothing has changed, it's that the overall effect on the terrible practices of these companies have had to me in the past 10+ years is none, and the money I otherwise would've put down was going to go into the CEO's pockets regardless, as the devs don't really get paid more because of better sales (maybe bonuses, but they can do without my sales penny).

Skullgirls player count on steam charts shows an all-time peak of <4000. It wouldn't take a whole lot to send a message on just percentages. If you haven't touched the game tho in recent times, then you just keep what you doing XD

Could someone here elaborate on the censorship of 2015? I'm completely unaware of this. Far as i know, the original devs still had the game at that time right?

I recommend that you pay no attention to those who only come to insult, many of them joined the game after this event and they were not even backers of this game. anyway, also in 2013 there was censorship of parasoul, I and other 5 guys critic the action and we were no hear. I recommend you visit the cutting room floor to see the 2015 game changes.

Here is a screenshot of 2013 removed frames of my ps3 version.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2996679218

[Tactical Turtle Neck]

Originally posted by HI♪ Missingno.:

Please, explain how it makes logical sense for Cerecopter to blow her skirt up. They've addressed it several times explaining that they were off-model, as were the rest of the redrawn frames.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThSnkADFvPs cerecopter wasn't the only change and yes it would be possible for that move to lift her loose short dress.