Skullgirls 2nd Encore

Skullgirls 2nd Encore

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BlackCookie 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 12:39
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Most of the changes were hinted at long before the patch
- The Nazi-inspired arm bands were removed a year ago in Umbrella's Story Mode.

- The team probably intended to change Filia's underwear since 2014. F u k u a is supposed to be a clone of Filia and was given black panties on every color palette since 2014, regardless of the color composition. The original Lab Zero team intended to make those changes since at least 2 years after release

- The Soviet Voice announcer was removed because Mike Z didn't make voice lines for new characters meaning deleting it was necessary or else players would be using an incomplete, broken voice announcer that had no lines for new updates

- When it comes to the removed gallery art
1) You didn't pay for them; they were added without pay and could be removed if it interfered with the desired experience the devs wanted to offer, so claiming they were "censoring stuff people paid for" is dishonest.

2) the art still exists, its just not in the art gallery. What exactly is being censored there?

As for the reasons for removal (and for those who understandably enjoyed the artwork and want to find it.
- Hotsoma Suzuki's Parasoul illustration: Parasoul wore an armband in the illustration

- emlan's great group photo illustration: A very large soldier is wearing an armband

-Gashi-gashi's Filia artwork: Filia is facing away from the camera and her underwear are being presented toward the camera

- Josh L's uh, enthralling cover art: Filia is wearing a playboy bunny outfit

All of the mentioned changes both make sense and were very intentional and agreed upon by the old and new members and some things were intended to be changed years in advance.

The ones who crowd funded, im sure they cant thank you enough, but if the armbands and the 16 year old character were really what got you interested in this game, did you really even like the game or were you caught up in they hype and spent a little change on a game you were never invested in seeing succeed?

And the ones buying the game just to review it badly because a youtuber told you to, ♥♥♥♥ you, ur obnoxious.

If you take issue, tell me and dont be bad faith, we can discuss.
最後修改者:BlackCookie; 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 12:45
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ThePointlessBox_ 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 12:55 
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didnt read
they still took away stuff I paid for
Kyrion 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 12:59 
Yeah... the more we know the more we learn that problems at studio were there for years.

Shines some light on Alex leaving, Mike being likely 'strongarmed' for years and ousted under false accusations once he was too much to bother with anymore.

Lots of people seem to have not paid much attention.
BlackCookie 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 1:07 
引用自 Kyrion
Yeah... the more we know the more we learn that problems at studio were there for years.

Shines some light on Alex leaving, Mike being likely 'strongarmed' for years and ousted under false accusations once he was too much to bother with anymore.

Lots of people seem to have not paid much attention.

I don't really know about the allegations on Mike, but it's definitely dishonest to say they're false without evidence.

You can interpret the handling of business behind the scenes as "problems", but I see it as part of the process in developing businesses.
Kyrion 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 1:13 
引用自 BlackCookie
I don't really know about the allegations on Mike, but it's definitely dishonest to say they're false without evidence.

You can interpret the handling of business behind the scenes as "problems", but I see it as part of the process in developing businesses.

Fair enough, I should say 'allegedly false' according to now ongoing case against the studio.

And I would say that the business ongoings ending with court settlements with obvious grievances within the team (even after settlement and gag put in place) are indeed not a 'problems', my manager would rather call them 'effing travesty!', but she is much more direct in her communications than me... something most team admires as it gets the work done as long as the reasoning behind it is sound enough,
最後修改者:Kyrion; 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 1:14
BlackCookie 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 1:45 
引用自 Kyrion

Fair enough, I should say 'allegedly false' according to now ongoing case against the studio.

And I would say that the business ongoings ending with court settlements with obvious grievances within the team (even after settlement and gag put in place) are indeed not a 'problems', my manager would rather call them 'effing travesty!', but she is much more direct in her communications than me... something most team admires as it gets the work done as long as the reasoning behind it is sound enough,

I'd say it's "allegedly true" because thats what allegations imply.

Ur right, sexual assault allegations present in a developing business dam near set it up for failure. It's a major issue, but it doesn't seem to affect the game and it seems it was handled, effectively, pretty well.
Pyro3000 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 2:49 
I'm sorry but the panty color change doesn't take 9 years and a new company to implement. Fu kua was meant to be a lazy recolor, and I wouldn't read much further to her black panties than that. If anything, the new company likely just realized it would be easy to use Fu kua's panties to replace Filia's without needing to do a bunch of redrawing.

The art in the artbook is GONE. Sure, it's floating around the internet, but imagine you had some photographs from a vacation, and lost them. Hey, at least other people have them on the internet, right? I think buying digital artbooks is dumb in general, but I still greatly feel that it should be untouchable content.

MikeZ isn't around to record more soviet lines? Have someone else do it. When the voice of Meowth died in 2008, they didn't remove the prior 8 years of work, they found a new voice actor. I'd sooner them even just have the soviet voice over be silent where new lines would be, or just insert another one for those segments, than to outright remove it.

I can't fault you for having faith in the company, I can understand why you would want to view this all as some long standing intention, but it wouldn't have taken this long to implement. Plus, if they wanted to tone down sexualization, it would make it rather baffling that they hired ZONE, a person that was known for drawing porn and had been making Skullgirls Porn at the time, to help push, market, and develop the game.
ThePointlessBox_ 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 3:29 
引用自 BlackCookie
引用自 ThePointlessBox_
didnt read
they still took away stuff I paid for

They didn't, they changed already existing animations. The only artwork removed is for Big Bands story, which you never played and some art gallery submissions that you never knew existed. And you havent touched the game in almost a decade gtfo
I paid for the soviet announcer
I paid for the color palettes as they were
I paid for an edgy riskay fighter
neoVictrix 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 4:55 
Still regarded as censorship regardless of decisions or time frame if we look at the various definitions of it.

That being said, I've been looking everywhere but the discord and the forum for the mobile game for conversations that have taken place that point to "All of the mentioned changes being agreed upon by the old and new members"

Are you talking about team members or members of the community? I would like to see some legitimate discussion on this to get a better picture of when and how much of an issue it actually was. So far there's been a 2017 thread dunking on someone suggesting the censorship, and another from initial searches of the mobile forum where the content restricted it from being playable in their region.
Kyrion 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 6:20 
引用自 BlackCookie
引用自 Kyrion

Fair enough, I should say 'allegedly false' according to now ongoing case against the studio.

And I would say that the business ongoings ending with court settlements with obvious grievances within the team (even after settlement and gag put in place) are indeed not a 'problems', my manager would rather call them 'effing travesty!', but she is much more direct in her communications than me... something most team admires as it gets the work done as long as the reasoning behind it is sound enough,

I'd say it's "allegedly true" because thats what allegations imply.

Ur right, sexual assault allegations present in a developing business dam near set it up for failure. It's a major issue, but it doesn't seem to affect the game and it seems it was handled, effectively, pretty well.
Yup, allegations are that:
All claims were false

Cause ongoing case is a case for defamation by false claims?
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Chilled Nomi 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 7:55 
引用自 BlackCookie
If you take issue, tell me and dont be bad faith, we can discuss.
If you wish to discuss or refute on some things we can!

- The Nazi-inspired arm bands were removed a year ago in Umbrella's Story Mode.
This much is true, as well as her time out. I did voice my complaint about the lack of the way back when too. Its not even that I support Nazis its just that I think they add that bit of risky spicy flavor to a faction and character in game (mostly parasoul) I already find to be pretty bland even when they have armbands.

- The team probably intended to change Filia's underwear since 2014. F u k u a is supposed to be a clone of Filia and was given black panties on every color palette since 2014, regardless of the color composition. The original Lab Zero team intended to make those changes since at least 2 years after release
This I disagree on. Fookua was born out of a dev on streams typo of filias name (their finger was one set of keys over by mistake when typing the 'ili' part of Filias name. Lok at your keyboard if its Qwerty and youll see what happened easily). Their color scheme seems more just a way to further contrast the fandom in joke made april fools joke clone fighter from her original counterpart shoukd they be on the same team or fighting each other.

- The Soviet Voice announcer was removed because Mike Z didn't make voice lines for new characters meaning deleting it was necessary or else players would be using an incomplete, broken voice announcer that had no lines for new updates
This I can agree on but I love it as its my fav voice pack for the announcer I always use. But yeah its removal can easily be justified due to who made it and more so, the fact it cant be updated to match anyone post robo except umbrella and Marie I think (as those two had plenty of unused lines in old versions of the game that are in use now such as tag in/out lines).

- When it comes to the removed gallery art
I cut the rest off since most is just listing
the artists but yes Im pretty sure at one point the devs in lab zero days admitted this is more a bonus courtesy thing that can be removed whenever or if an artist in that gallery later wishes to not be in it anymore. Pretty much all of the art can be found on various boorus in high quality, and the emlan one even has the lost cut fan character Juju in versions outside the game for that little bit of extra goodness.

All of the mentioned changes both make sense and were very intentional and agreed upon by the old and new members and some things were intended to be changed years in advance.
Cant really 100% comment on this one. Im sure internally they had meetings and votes and that not everyone agreed but Majority vote wins after all.

The ones who crowd funded, im sure they cant thank you enough, but if the armbands and the 16 year old character were really what got you interested in this game, did you really even like the game or were you caught up in they hype and spent a little change on a game you were never invested in seeing succeed?
Im glad peacocks cartoony character design from Alex Ahad showing artwork of this world pre meeting even Mike Z days is what got me into this, even if Im more invested into the world and characters than I am the fighting aspect of the game. Personally im just a bit of a 'salty cupcake' if you will that things added because of the crowdfunding have been removed like the Soviet announcer since I love the voice.

And the ones buying the game just to review it badly because a youtuber told you to, ♥♥♥♥ you, ur obnoxious.
This goes both ways too with people buying the game to play for like 30 minutes then leave a good review just to insult or dismiss people who just really dont like their decade+ old games being altered for "modern sensibilities".
最後修改者:Chilled Nomi; 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 7:59
BlackCookie 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 11:44 
引用自 ThePointlessBox_
引用自 BlackCookie

They didn't, they changed already existing animations. The only artwork removed is for Big Bands story, which you never played and some art gallery submissions that you never knew existed. And you havent touched the game in almost a decade gtfo
I paid for the soviet announcer
I paid for the color palettes as they were
I paid for an edgy riskay fighter

You sure weren't playing the game when they were there, so they obviously didn't make the game any more worth playing than it does now; you're obviously here for a different reason

If you want an explanation on what you're complaining about, read the post.
AggressiveHibernation 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 11:50 
引用自 BlackCookie
You sure weren't playing the game when they were there, so they obviously didn't make the game any more worth playing than it does now; you're obviously here for a different reason

If you want an explanation on what you're complaining about, read the post.
Exactly. They have literally no argument.
BlackCookie 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 11:52 
引用自 neoVictrix

Still regarded as censorship regardless of decisions or time frame if we look at the various definitions of it.

That being said, I've been looking everywhere but the discord and the forum for the mobile game for conversations that have taken place that point to "All of the mentioned changes being agreed upon by the old and new members"

Are you talking about team members or members of the community? I would like to see some legitimate discussion on this to get a better picture of when and how much of an issue it actually was. So far there's been a 2017 thread dunking on someone suggesting the censorship, and another from initial searches of the mobile forum where the content restricted it from being playable in their region.

There doesn't need to be a discord call because the changes were being implemented by the old team already before the patch. The new team carried on doing those changes, so they clearly agreed.

With everything lined up, I have no idea how this can be regarded as censorship. Are we censoring our bodies by putting on clothes? Is any sort of removal of sexual content censorship? The word is intentionally being mishandled by dissenters to exaggerate their issue with the changes and because this is the internet, no one will check them, but I just don't feel like censorship is the right word. Sanitizing or cleanup would work fine
最後修改者:BlackCookie; 2023 年 7 月 4 日 上午 11:53
BlackCookie 2023 年 7 月 4 日 下午 12:29 
引用自 Chilled Nomi

If you wish to discuss or refute on some things we can!

Discussion?? Here? Really? You know you can't do that here, ur gonna get us banned (joking)

This much is true, as well as her time out. I did voice my complaint about the lack of the way back when too. Its not even that I support Nazis its just that I think they add that bit of risky spicy flavor to a faction and character in game (mostly parasoul) I already find to be pretty bland even when they have armbands.

Ok, yeah, in my barest subconscious, I do enjoy the armbands because I just like the color red and, If I had full control of the game's color pallete, there would be a lot more red on everything. But my conscious side thinks i'm not Jewish and I don't have to deal with Neo-Nazi's so if NeoNazi's come to this game and see Nazi's represented in a warm light, resulting in them becoming comfortable in this community and more comfortable in their beliefs, then it's fair to remove the arm bands to further their association with those groups. And before you say "Thats ridiculous", Neonazi's DO enjoy content that even slightly references Nazi's in their games and shows. For example, Tanya the Evil. She's an anime girl mocking Nazism, but NeoNazi's love her just because she's a Nazi who's not getting her face punched everytime she's on screen. They'll take anything.

This I disagree on. Fookua was born out of a dev on streams typo of filias name (their finger was one set of keys over by mistake when typing the 'ili' part of Filias name. Lok at your keyboard if its Qwerty and youll see what happened easily). Their color scheme seems more just a way to further contrast the fandom in joke made april fools joke clone fighter from her original counterpart shoukd they be on the same team or fighting each other.

No, cuz, just like Filia, her lighter color palletes have darker pantsis even if the color pallete is a lighter composition, like 9, 10, 14, 18, 19, 21, and still more. It was obviously not done purely for aesthetic purposes, meaning F u k u a was meant to show a transition from white to black eventually. It can't be coincidence that f u k u a conveniently had black a decade before filia was changed to the same thing.

This I can agree on but I love it as its my fav voice pack for the announcer I always use. But yeah its removal can easily be justified due to who made it and more so, the fact it cant be updated to match anyone post robo except umbrella and Marie I think (as those two had plenty of unused lines in old versions of the game that are in use now such as tag in/out lines).

I'm glad you can be reasonable on that. I feel like the voice announcer is really just a coverup excuse to complain about the update, when really they're mostly mad about the changes to filia.

I cut the rest off since most is just listing
the artists but yes Im pretty sure at one point the devs in lab zero days admitted this is more a bonus courtesy thing that can be removed whenever or if an artist in that gallery later wishes to not be in it anymore. Pretty much all of the art can be found on various boorus in high quality, and the emlan one even has the lost cut fan character Juju in versions outside the game for that little bit of extra goodness.

True, and I do like some of the removed artwork, but again, they know they can just find it online, they're complaints are fake outrage to mask the real reason for their issue with the update. I wish they were more honest about it, so we wouldn't hear intentionally obtuse arguments and instead just agree to disagree on Filia.

Cant really 100% comment on this one. Im sure internally they had meetings and votes and that not everyone agreed but Majority vote wins after all.

That's a more specific way of dissolving the process, but either way, in the end i'm sure the company was well intentioned to make the changes for some time now and I'm pretty sure Mike Z said the same thing about changes being planned years before in like 2017.

Im glad peacocks cartoony character design from Alex Ahad showing artwork of this world pre meeting even Mike Z days is what got me into this, even if Im more invested into the world and characters than I am the fighting aspect of the game. Personally im just a bit of a 'salty cupcake' if you will that things added because of the crowdfunding have been removed like the Soviet announcer since I love the voice.

I genuinely get it, im not the games pr team, I wont defend every thing the devs do, you're allowed to take issue with it and I do too about the Big Band changes, there should just be more people like you who can state their issues in a civilized manner and less people like others who review bomb and call this feminist "global standard" woke twitter brainwashing. Idk what can be done, but if it comes back we've won. And if the salty weirdos posting filia pantyshots in the discussion board finally leave, we've won.

This goes both ways too with people buying the game to play for like 30 minutes then leave a good review just to insult or dismiss people who just really dont like their decade+ old games being altered for "modern sensibilities".

If it counteracts the sabatoge in any way, of which theres much more negative review bombing than positive, then i'd call it homeostasis to keep the game from crashing thanks to dishonest reviewers. Don't be dismayed, you can give the game a bad review, it's just ridiculous to have a very complex and articulate fighting game and give it a bad review because the pantyshots were altered. It defeats the purpose of review to review the whole game as it stands and not nitpicks you take huge issue with.
最後修改者:BlackCookie; 2023 年 7 月 4 日 下午 12:36
ThePointlessBox_ 2023 年 7 月 4 日 下午 1:02 
引用自 BlackCookie
引用自 ThePointlessBox_
I paid for the soviet announcer
I paid for the color palettes as they were
I paid for an edgy riskay fighter

You sure weren't playing the game when they were there, so they obviously didn't make the game any more worth playing than it does now; you're obviously here for a different reason

If you want an explanation on what you're complaining about, read the post.
you know the game was around on the 360 and the ps3 as well right?
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