I'd like to know your opinion on the changes.

[Vorgor]

Heres a video that show what changed.
https://youtu.be/wL18fryeqUg
Honestly most of it is not a big deal to me.
My only issues are the removal of content, the Egrets armband (like seriously they look even more bland now couldn't you have just change the color of the armband?) and pretty much everything related to Big Band.

Watch the video and let me know what you think.

[JonPringus]

It's worse than I thought. These changes are genuinely evil.

[TrishaCat]

I don't like that they made Filia's panty shots less obvious to nonexistant (some scenes now covering them with the skirt). Panty shots are hot.
Big Band's backstory being less brutal sucks.
Cerebella's clothes being ripped was hot and its lame they removed that.
All of the bondage scene edits are lame.

[Toasty]

The changes are worse than I thought, but it wouldn't matter even if they weren't.

Removing content from a game with an update is nasty behavior that should be rejected. Especially when it's content that's as old as the game itself (10 years) and one of the game's selling points.

Remember, Rockstar released an unannounced update for the long abandoned GTA PC ports that removed a ton of radio music due to copyright. Please don't think this is ok.

[cyxceven]

They also added more tongue to cover up clothed human torsos.
That's honestly a worse look.

[Vorgor]

Originally posted by Toasty:

The changes are worse than I thought, but it wouldn't matter even if they weren't.

Removing content from a game with an update is nasty behavior that should be rejected. Especially when it's content that's as old as the game itself (10 years) and one of the game's selling points.

Remember, Rockstar released an unannounced update for the long abandoned GTA PC ports that removed a ton of radio music due to copyright. Please don't think this is ok.

Don't worry I don't think those changes are okay, if it were up to me I wouldn't have changed anything.
I just don't really care about fan service but I know most skullgirls players like it and their anger is totally justified because those changes were clearly made for a group of people that doesn't even play skullgirls in the fist place.

[1.2M | Missingno.]

Okay, fine, actual honest opinion on each change individually:

Black Egret Armbands - GOOD RIDDANCE! This should never have been in the game to begin with. It's literally just because Alex Ahad drew it back when he was an edgy teenager thinking "Wouldn't it be funny if the good guys looked like Nazis?" But it isn't funny, it's just cringe. I've seen multiple occasions where people looking at the game for the first time have had double-takes at this and I've just had to be like "It's just like that because an edgy teenager drew it a very long time ago."

Art Gallery - In-house art had the armbands redrawn, guest art with armbands was simply removed. Understandable that they don't want to redraw someone else's art, but unfortunate that means it just has to be cut. But it's not like that art was erased from the internet, you can still find it all on the wiki if you need to see it that badly. It's not a big deal!

Filia burst comb - Eh, whatever, honestly just don't care about this one.

Valentine redesign - I'm sad about this, I was very attached to my girl and I don't like the new look as much. But they literally had to do this for legal reasons. This is the only case you can actually call true censorship since it's out their hands entirely. But, like, it's out of their hands entirely, that's the thing.

Big Band story - This one's kind of puzzling to me, because being about police brutality was the point, wasn't it? But also, I don't feel like putting it offscreen changes much anyway. Sometimes it can be more powerful to cut to black.

Filia story - Yeah, good, was just a little too gratuitous. She's 16 and a student, geez. Now the viewer's attention is not on the cringe and is instead on the action shot.

Cerebella/Eliza story - This on the other hand, seemed unnecessary. Bella's an adult.

Double, Beowulf, etc story - I had to pause and squint and I barely noticed any difference. Who cares?

Overall, I do think a lot of the changes are good, and the ones I'm ambivalent on are not worth getting upset about. The sky is not falling, if you think this is part of some apocalyptic SJW culture war conspiracy you need to come back to reality and stop listening to /pol/'s attempts to scare you.

This game has been ever changing and evolving for over a decade. I think you'll find a lot of artists have decade old works they're embarrassed by, and it's completely fair that if they want the game to keep moving forward, they want to touch up the parts they aren't proud of.

Chill. Please, just chill. Genuinely for real here, take a deep breath and settle down.

[Alpharius]

A bad idea

[Neon Triangle]

Originally posted by Toasty:

Remember, Rockstar released an unannounced update for the long abandoned GTA PC ports that removed a ton of radio music due to copyright. Please don't think this is ok.

Also GTA5 being edited by the new team to remove "offensive" dialogs and character designs. Even without copyright nonsense nothing is sacred.

[Sloth-Man]

I think it helps set an absolutely terrible precedent. A lot of these things were looked at as just being funny or inoffensive back when this game released. Now, 10 years later it's offensive, so we're retroactively going back and purging a work that was of its time of any offensive material. Think back to all the things that weren't offensive 10 years ago that are now. Now think about all the things that could and probably will be considered offensive 10 years into the future. Is this really the precedent we want to set? That an artist's work is only there in its true form the day its released, and is subject to be changed for modern values at any point in time in the future? What other games will this be applied to if this catches on? I know Superhot already neutered their own ending by doing something very similar to this...

Basically what i worry about is the mindset and the attitude this represents. We should accept that artist's works are of their time, and may not reflect modern social values. Is that really so hard? Is the real answer here to preemptively censor whatever could be offensive to people? That sounds like the death of creativity to me...

[JonPringus]

Originally posted by HI♪ Missingno.:

Chill. Please, just chill. Genuinely for real here, take a deep breath and settle down.

Thanks for your thoughtful response. I get the desire to modernize the game, make it safer for current day audiences and possible corporate needs, and people being ashamed of old work, especially if they're still working on it. But my philosophy can't accept this. I can't accept this. Changing art in such a way is nothing short of evil, it's incompatible with what art is. It would be better for this game to die and be considered an "outdated product of its time" than for them to sanitize it now. It's far worse than what George Lucas did to Star Wars.

Since you mention it, while there isn't an apocalyptic conspiracy, changes like this come from an evil culture. An evil culture that limits art, shames artists, hates depictions of "unsafe" things, and endorses censorship. If society was moral, no party involved would feel the need or pressure to change these aspects in Skullgirls.

[Sstavix]

I'm less concerned about the changes themselves than I am the reasoning behind the changes. It's simply more sanitizing of a popular game solely for the sake of avoiding offending snowflakes.

Let's be honest - a big part of the attraction of the game was its edgy content. That was the draw, and what a lot of people discovered was a 2D fighter with surprisingly solid gameplay and plain, fun content. Come for Valentine, end up playing Peacock.

Hmmm... that may be poor choice of words. Ah well.

In any case, it seems almost like the same moves that Capcom has been taking with the Street Fighter franchise, and even some of the odd changes that Player First Games did with MultiVersus. Just because some people could possibly be offended the developers decide to censor.

The people in today's society are just too spineless, in my opinion. You see something offensive? Then don't buy it. Don't watch it. Don't read it. If it's entertainment, simply avoid whatever is offending you.

And developers - listen to the people who are actually buying your products, not some social justice warrior with an ax to grind. Otherwise, everything will eventually devolve into bland, boring content, solely for the sake of offending anyone.

[1.2M | Missingno.]

Originally posted by JonPringus:

It would be better for this game to die

And this is where it's abundantly clear to me that none of the people complaining actually play this game. Maybe you don't care if the game dies, but I do. I care about the future of my favorite game and I care about it's community. I want SG to have a bright future ahead of it. I want to keep traveling to tournaments and hanging out with one of the best communities I've ever been a part of. I don't want SG to die, I want it to grow.

Everyone I talk to who actually plays this game thinks this is a positive for the game's future. The only people getting mad don't play it anyway. In which case, go away and leave us be.

[Mordo]

why remove the police violence scene? (its not even about that, is a reference to robocop), to me at least, removing that scene its even more racist

[Delta Centauri]

Originally posted by HI♪ Missingno.:

Okay, fine, actual honest opinion on each change individually:

Black Egret Armbands - GOOD RIDDANCE! This should never have been in the game to begin with. It's literally just because Alex Ahad drew it back when he was an edgy teenager thinking "Wouldn't it be funny if the good guys looked like Nazis?" But it isn't funny, it's just cringe. I've seen multiple occasions where people looking at the game for the first time have had double-takes at this and I've just had to be like "It's just like that because an edgy teenager drew it a very long time ago."

Art Gallery - In-house art had the armbands redrawn, guest art with armbands was simply removed. Understandable that they don't want to redraw someone else's art, but unfortunate that means it just has to be cut. But it's not like that art was erased from the internet, you can still find it all on the wiki if you need to see it that badly. It's not a big deal!

Filia burst comb - Eh, whatever, honestly just don't care about this one.

Valentine redesign - I'm sad about this, I was very attached to my girl and I don't like the new look as much. But they literally had to do this for legal reasons. This is the only case you can actually call true censorship since it's out their hands entirely. But, like, it's out of their hands entirely, that's the thing.

Big Band story - This one's kind of puzzling to me, because being about police brutality was the point, wasn't it? But also, I don't feel like putting it offscreen changes much anyway. Sometimes it can be more powerful to cut to black.

Filia story - Yeah, good, was just a little too gratuitous. She's 16 and a student, geez. Now the viewer's attention is not on the cringe and is instead on the action shot.

Cerebella/Eliza story - This on the other hand, seemed unnecessary. Bella's an adult.

Double, Beowulf, etc story - I had to pause and squint and I barely noticed any difference. Who cares?

Overall, I do think a lot of the changes are good, and the ones I'm ambivalent on are not worth getting upset about. The sky is not falling, if you think this is part of some apocalyptic SJW culture war conspiracy you need to come back to reality and stop listening to /pol/'s attempts to scare you.

This game has been ever changing and evolving for over a decade. I think you'll find a lot of artists have decade old works they're embarrassed by, and it's completely fair that if they want the game to keep moving forward, they want to touch up the parts they aren't proud of.

Chill. Please, just chill. Genuinely for real here, take a deep breath and settle down.

Obviously I don't own the game so dismiss me all you want... but people see an armband and automatically assume Nazi? I thought the whole point is they're a militant force serving under Parasoul and that's the reason they wear it... to you know display their service to her and that whole empire? I'm not understanding how it was 'just to be edgy.'

I thought it was just as baffling to remove it as Big Bands corrupt cops scene.

[PortalDiver]

yea, this is no longer the game that I backed and played some many years ago.