difference between productivity and efficiency?

[rebellionmarch]

i havent jumped in yet, but it seems a little confusing, does one of these make ore refine faster and the other gives you more ingots for total ore? and which is which specifically?

[[FaO]Simon]

Hello,

According to the update video:

The productivity module (yellow) makes the refinery and assembler work faster.
The effectiveness module (green) makes the refinery produceing more ignots from ore.

Greetings
Simon

[VanGoghComplex]

Productivity: more power used, faster refining. Efficiency: same power used, greater ingot yield per kg of ore.

[raymazoida]

I'd be very interesdting in which one produces the most over say a 1 hour period, does the greater yield per kg beat faster when you could be out of ore in the end? Big mining run and some tests needed!

[Kraft51]

also from what i saw in the video, you can combine modules onto one refinery. at least thats what i got from it.

[rebellionmarch]

im much more interested in the higher yield per kilogram of ore than i am in refining the ore faster, as certain ores you have to hunt for hours sometimes to get very small patches, in the end higher yield is more important, regardless of whichever is faster

[raymazoida]

Originally posted by rebellionmarch:

im much more interested in the higher yield per kilogram of ore than i am in refining the ore faster, as certain ores you have to hunt for hours sometimes to get very small patches, in the end higher yield is more important, regardless of whichever is faster

depends on if you have a boat load of platinum and need thruster components yesterday

[Gekkibi]

Originally posted by mrraybaker:

Originally posted by rebellionmarch:

im much more interested in the higher yield per kilogram of ore than i am in refining the ore faster, as certain ores you have to hunt for hours sometimes to get very small patches, in the end higher yield is more important, regardless of whichever is faster

depends on if you have a boat load of platinum and need thruster components yesterday

You would still have to wait. It takes several hundred refinery hours (iirc, can't remember exact numbers) to get enough platinum for a large ship large thruster. ;)

Edit: I did exact calculations by using the info from the wiki (so please take this with a pinch of salt), and it "only" takes 85 hours and 20 minutes to refine enough platinum for one large ship large thruster. ;)

[rebellionmarch]

Originally posted by mrraybaker:

Originally posted by rebellionmarch:

im much more interested in the higher yield per kilogram of ore than i am in refining the ore faster, as certain ores you have to hunt for hours sometimes to get very small patches, in the end higher yield is more important, regardless of whichever is faster

depends on if you have a boat load of platinum and need thruster components yesterday

i suppose, in the end this is going to allow for some amazingly specialized sorted refinery configurations and give reason to build very large refinery stations

[raymazoida]

Originally posted by Gekkibi:

Originally posted by mrraybaker:

depends on if you have a boat load of platinum and need thruster components yesterday

You would still have to wait. It takes several hundred refinery hours (iirc, can't remember exact numbers) to get enough platinum for a large ship large thruster. ;)

Edit: I did exact calculations by using the info from the wiki (so please take this with a pinch of salt), and it "only" takes 85 hours and 20 minutes to refine enough platinum for one large ship large thruster. ;)

yeah but when you have 20+ refineries working on it then the difference becomes significant :)

[rebellionmarch]

Originally posted by Gekkibi:

Originally posted by mrraybaker:

depends on if you have a boat load of platinum and need thruster components yesterday

You would still have to wait. It takes several hundred refinery hours (iirc, can't remember exact numbers) to get enough platinum for a large ship large thruster. ;)

Edit: I did exact calculations by using the info from the wiki (so please take this with a pinch of salt), and it "only" takes 85 hours and 20 minutes to refine enough platinum for one large ship large thruster. ;)

in real life it takes years to put together space missions, this seems like a decent number compared to that, even for 2077

[Gekkibi]

Originally posted by mrraybaker:

yeah but when you have 20+ refineries working on it then the difference becomes significant :)

But you would still have to wait several hours. :P

Originally posted by rebellionmarch:

in real life it takes years to put together space missions, this seems like a decent number compared to that, even for 2077

Yes, because it only takes 5 hours to build the massive space carrier, but then we have to wait few months before we can build the thrusters.

The platinum production is not balanced with the other refinement times.

[raymazoida]

yeah it is several hours... but the "discount" could be the difference between ready current play session... or tomorrow, which while ultimatly of little consequence "feels" better lol

[Astasia]

Each productivity upgrade adds +100% to the base speed and power cost. It's basically like having another refinery.

Each efficiency upgrade adds +19% efficiency, but it's multiplicative. Four of them is 200% efficiency, double the ingots per ore.

[Gekkibi]

Originally posted by Astasia:

Each efficiency upgrade adds +19% efficiency, but it's multiplicative. Four of them is 200% efficiency, double the ingots per ore.

As well as cutting the power per ingot to half. (haven't tested it, I'm using logic here).

[Loues.S.Cat]

Originally posted by Astasia:

Each productivity upgrade adds +100% to the base speed and power cost. It's basically like having another refinery.

and +100% power needs... so it is litteraly like having another refinery

Originally posted by Astasia:

Each efficiency upgrade adds around +20% efficiency.

and the efficiency means that you get more refined out our per unit of raw ore. so that basicly represents a 20% increase in speed at no cost in power, but you also use less ore for the same returns so you get more ore out at the end.


4 production modules accelerates output by 5* but costs you 5* the power
4 efficiancy modules effectivly accelerrates output by 2* at no cost to power, but the refinery will output more material!
Eddectivness is substancialy better in this regard in that you get more out for what you put in while still maintaining some level of the same benafit you get from both the power and production modules