Large grid to small grid?

[Wingnut]

Can someone please explain the logic why there is a way to convert small grid to large grid (using conveyor adaptor) but not large grid to small grid?

[Captain Canard]

You're not converting grid size, just conveyor size. It's logical(ish) to have a small grid with larger conveyors, since we can have blocks greater than 1x1 size, but you can't convert a large GRID conveyor to a small version because the block size would be less that 1x1 (large grid).

Does that make sense? FWIW, SE 2 will allow large to small conveyor conversion, and I think that's great!

ps - you can technically go from large to small grid / conveyor if you don't mind subgridding, using a rotor or a hinge. Another option is to use a large grid / small connector, and then run small grid piping from that (again, it'll be a subgrid).

[Captain Canard]

Here's an example of large to small grid, and back again. I'm purposefully using two different ways in the same build just to show the different options available.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3484865391

It's a kluge, but it does work! Just remember that small conveyors are limited in what they can pass. That and it's quite expensive PCU-wise. Personally, I recommend against it, but if there is a reason you need this, here it is!

[CelticChaos]

The captain pretty much nailed it. You can't connect large to small/small to large without using a subgrid. It can be done quite easily but you will need to deal with the subgrid logic. There are a few mods that will help with this if you so choose.

SE2's unified grid system will be a huge plus to engineers as all blocks (small and large) basically considered one "unified" grid size.

[Wingnut]

I understand how to change grid size etc. I just dont understand why there is an easy way to convert one way (the adaptor) but not the other way, without having to go through all that hassle.

[Captain Canard]

Originally posted by Wingnut:

I understand how to change grid size etc. I just dont understand why there is an easy way to convert one way (the adaptor) but not the other way, without having to go through all that hassle.

The adapter is still small grid, and technically it is bi-directional, so it is both ways.

Now the large grid conveyors are the equivalent to the small conveyor on small grid, so if you want the equivalent on large grid, it would be an adapter to a HUGE pipe - like 3x3 diameter pipe (large grid), and there's really no need for that.

I do believe you are confusing grid sizes with conveyor sizes, and they really are two different things.

[Wingnut]

I am talking about conveyor sizes. The adaptor will connect to small grid conveyors on one side but the other side wont connect to large grid conveyors. But you can then connect large grid conveyors to the adaptor. Hence you have to replace the head of a rotor or hinge.
Its like a circle of capability with a gap.

[REALRACE]

"logic" is not implemented yet

[Captain Canard]

Originally posted by Wingnut:

I am talking about conveyor sizes. The adaptor will connect to small grid conveyors on one side but the other side wont connect to large grid conveyors. But you can then connect large grid conveyors to the adaptor. Hence you have to replace the head of a rotor or hinge.

There is no way to directly connect a small grid to a large grid (or vice-versa) in SE 1 without using some sort of sub-grid "interface", specifically a rotor, hinge, or connector.

The supergridding exploit notwithstanding of course (not something you can do in-game).

I don't know what else to tell you. \o/

[Dan2D3D]

HI, not sure what you mean about "Convert" but we can connect small on large and the other way around so large on small.

= ??

Normal connector is for small and large + same for the new Tiny connector.

Maybe share some screenshots so all can see what you want to do and share the solution for your creation.

[Dan2D3D]

I went in-game to take a screenshot of available connectors and they all fit together :
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3484960629
EDIT
The only difference is large items can't go through Tiny conveyor.

In above screenshot = Tiny connector is painted Blue on large grid.

[Captain Canard]

Originally posted by Dan2D3D:

I went in-game to take a screenshot of available connectors and they all fit together :

You forgot one ;)

[Dan2D3D]

I forgot to show the small block normal size but it works both ways.

Small block ship to large block station and that works the other way around large to small :
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3476473725

[Wingnut]

Some confusion here i think.
What i have been trying to do is connect a medium oxy tank to a large grid vent for an airlock (because the 2 block oxy tank is waaay too big for the purpose and difficult to fit into my build). So i had to use a hinge with a medium head.
Which got me wondering why the 'conveyor converter/adaptor' only works one-way (small grid to medium grid). The medium conveyor is the same size as large conveyors just a bit shorter.
Why cant the conveyor converter attach to a large grid conveyor? Which would allow small conveyor system to plumb into large grid system.

In my earlier post i said large conveyors could connect to the adaptor/converter, i was mistaking the medium conveyors for large ones. Apologies for any confusion on my part.

But seriously why cant the conveyor converter not attach to large grid? The opening is the same size.

[Captain Canard]

Originally posted by Wingnut:

But seriously why cant the conveyor converter not attach to large grid? The opening is the same size.

Optically, yes, but one is technically a small grid, and the other is a large grid, despite looking close to identical.

It's confusing because SE's grid system is confusing until you get used to it. Thankfully SE 2 fixes this problem with the unified grid system.

[Dan2D3D]

Ah! I understand now, thanks for the details.

Indeed it's not working but that is a good suggestion to add to the Devs "Choice list" on the Official SE1 Support Portal as vote feedback to have a chance they choose your idea to add in future game update.

So the Feedback title should look like this :
-> Large block converter
+
Description -> We need the small block converter but for large block.

And send them the world save having your creation as reason why it is needed.


Click "Submit Feedback" on their Support Portal :

https://support.keenswh.com/spaceengineers/pc
(create "Bug report" or "Request help"(Private) or "Feedback"(Petition) on the Portal)