Dedicated server and Play on same machine.

[PlzDontKllMe]

Okay, so after a long while i have returned to Space Engineers. Its nice to see new stuff and updates being added. Now... back then and even now, it is still ridiculous... no, actually not, its not even ridiculous anymore... Its plain freaking dumb that when i shut down my game and keep the dedicated server running, that i have to shut down the server in order to launch the game again because being logged in with the server does not allow Space Engineers itself to launch. Its been years, why is this still being ignored? Why cant you just let people run more than one instance of space engineers on the same pc? This would fix the issue. Or how about having both the game and server tool use the same workshop, so when i log in with the dedicated, it doesnt block the game from running. Almost makes me want to go and download an illegal copy just so i could run the server and play the game. So again, why is this issue still not addressed?

[Capt Fuzzy]

I have to ask because this is kind of a common issue...
1. Are you running the dedicated server on the same PC that you play on?
2. If #1 is a 'no', then why are you signing into Steam to run the dedicated server on the other machine? You don't have to do that.
You can run the dedicated server as a stand-alone application.
The only time that you should have to login to Steam on your server PC is when adding mods to your server, otherwise there's no need to.

[PlzDontKllMe]

Nr 1, yes, the same pc.
As for logging in, i have to log in every time i want to add mods. Then i have to launch the server to make sure it gets up and running. This turning the server off again to launch the game afterwards is what grinds my gears. The worst part is that logging out in the server does absolutely nothing. Once logged in, the only way to run the game is to shut the dedicated server program down. Then launch it again without logging in to be able to run the game normally.

[Capt Fuzzy]

Well, what I can say from personal experience, and now you can too, is that you should NEVER run a dedicated server on the same PC that you play on, EVER, no matter what game it is.
The server software is not as resource intensive as the actual game, so it can be run smoothly on a relatively old PC that might just be sitting around gathering dust otherwise.
All you have to do is install the dedicated server on your spare PC, connect it to your home network, make sure that the needed ports are forwarded in your router and both you and your friends can connect and play on it any time that you wish, and the best part is, you never have to shut down the dedicated server, except to occasionally update it.
I have done this for several years now and I love it, so do my pals.

[PlzDontKllMe]

Originally posted by Capt Fuzzy:

Well, what I can say from personal experience, and now you can too, is that you should NEVER run a dedicated server on the same PC that you play on, EVER, no matter what game it is.

I have ran plenty of servers on my pc while gaming on it without it having issues, its good enough to deal with it. This limitation that space engineers has, is only limited to space engineers. I have yet to encounter any performance or launch issues running any other servers from my machine. The only issues i have had is connectivity issues and that is usually others trying to connect to me which has launched me into several hour long duel with my computer and modem about what ports and whatnot to allow and where. I even ran an ARK survival evolved server off my computer while playing it and had my friend join me on the same LAN, no issues. No performance hits to either the server nor the game itself. And ARK survival evolved is rather demanding and poorly optimized. So, from my personal experience, i can say... it is very much different from yours. I do appreciate your input but it hasnt been very helpful nor do i have any computers just lieing around, collecting dust.
What i cant understand is why the devs are churning out content while ignoring both this and several other issues that just dont seem to get addressed -_-
I dont mean to sound unappreciative of new content and i do like how most dlc-s they release are not even needed to play with someone who does own the dlc-s among how the dlc-s are implemented (mostly aesthetics but blocks function the same way as base game blocks, so no unfair advantages), but some issues causing headaches should be addressed as well. This is one of those issues and another i ran into just yesterday evening (might be why i took a break from the game for a while in the first place) that caused your powergrid go insane in powerdraw from reactors when several batteries are set on auto. I get that batteries lose 20% of the power they charge but 2 reactors running 3.5 mwh each suddenly go up to 15mwh each (full power) when fully charged batteries are turned on auto from recharge.

[Jack Schitt]

If you only to do this so your world doesn't stop running you can run the 'server' with Torch. As Capt Fuzzy shared it is not a good idea to run an online server AND play a game on the same machine.

https://torchapi.com/

[Capt Fuzzy]

Originally posted by IceHeart 162:

Originally posted by Capt Fuzzy:

Well, what I can say from personal experience, and now you can too, is that you should NEVER run a dedicated server on the same PC that you play on, EVER, no matter what game it is.

I have ran plenty of servers on my pc while gaming on it without it having issues, its good enough to deal with it. This limitation that space engineers has, is only limited to space engineers. I have yet to encounter any performance or launch issues running any other servers from my machine. The only issues i have had is connectivity issues and that is usually others trying to connect to me which has launched me into several hour long duel with my computer and modem about what ports and whatnot to allow and where. I even ran an ARK survival evolved server off my computer while playing it and had my friend join me on the same LAN, no issues. No performance hits to either the server nor the game itself. And ARK survival evolved is rather demanding and poorly optimized. So, from my personal experience, i can say... it is very much different from yours. I do appreciate your input but it hasnt been very helpful nor do i have any computers just lieing around, collecting dust.
What i cant understand is why the devs are churning out content while ignoring both this and several other issues that just dont seem to get addressed -_-
I dont mean to sound unappreciative of new content and i do like how most dlc-s they release are not even needed to play with someone who does own the dlc-s among how the dlc-s are implemented (mostly aesthetics but blocks function the same way as base game blocks, so no unfair advantages), but some issues causing headaches should be addressed as well. This is one of those issues and another i ran into just yesterday evening (might be why i took a break from the game for a while in the first place) that caused your powergrid go insane in powerdraw from reactors when several batteries are set on auto. I get that batteries lose 20% of the power they charge but 2 reactors running 3.5 mwh each suddenly go up to 15mwh each (full power) when fully charged batteries are turned on auto from recharge.

Within this 'wall of text' you basically just made my case for not running a dedicated server on the same PC that you play on.
You described many of the more common issues that arise from doing this, such as connectivity and port forwarding issues, among others.

[PlzDontKllMe]

Originally posted by Capt Fuzzy:

Within this 'wall of text' you basically just made my case for not running a dedicated server on the same PC that you play on.
You described many of the more common issues that arise from doing this, such as connectivity and port forwarding issues, among others.

Strange, connectivity and port forwarding issues would arise no matter if i would or woulnt use a second computer to run a server. Ive had my friend on the same lan being unable to connect to me due to these reasons even while the game wasnt running. So do tell me again how "I made your case" in this? Also, when i had a laptop way back in the days along with a computer, i did try running a server off the laptop. I dont remember what it was for, but i clearly do remember this headache with ports. That was waaaaay back when i barely even knew what ports were for.

[Jack Schitt]

Originally posted by IceHeart 162:

So do tell me again how "I made your case" in this?

LAN is an Apple WAN (internet) is an Onion. They work and operate differently.
As I've said....

Originally posted by Jack Schitt:

https://torchapi.com/

You can do it using Torch. I've seen someone run multiple Torch servers and play the game on the same machine. If you'd like I will direct them to this topic for their input and help.

[PlzDontKllMe]

Originally posted by Jack Schitt:

Originally posted by IceHeart 162:

So do tell me again how "I made your case" in this?

LAN is an Apple WAN (internet) is an Onion. They work and operate differently.
As I've said....

So, if they are so different, how come you are trying to tell me not to run a dedicated server off of my pc and use a different one on the LAN if i am the only one using the server >.<

[Jack Schitt]

I'm not saying you can't. It is possible, it's not recommended because it's prone to having performance issues doing it all on one machine using the default Dedicated Server Manager (DSM) that was published with the game. I'm not able to do it with DSM, I am able to do it with Torch. Why? Because of my computer specs.

[Rox]

Originally posted by IceHeart 162:

... let people run more than one instance ...

There are multiple reasons why this is not a good idea, but the answer to your original problem is very simple, I run server and client on my machine routinely when I need to for testing... all that is needed is to configure and run the server as a background service without being logged in to Steam, and connect to it directly via localhost address (127.0.0.1 or the local interface address) rather than via the Steam connection service.

[Dante]

Well the problem is if you're running it on the same pc you are hosting it on. There's a lot of stuff that's based on your steam ID and IP and that's the problem. If you're wanting to keep a server hosted 24/7 I recommend just going on Amazon and spending 300 bucks on a refurbished workstation PC that's got at least i7 in it. That way you can just keep a machine running 24/7 and have better performance for everyone on the server.

You don't even need AGPU in it so you just need something that's got a high clock speed and plenty of memory.

[Dante]

Originally posted by Rox:

Originally posted by IceHeart 162:

... let people run more than one instance ...

There are multiple reasons why this is not a good idea, but the answer to your original problem is very simple, I run server and client on my machine routinely when I need to for testing... all that is needed is to configure and run the server as a background service without being logged in to Steam, and connect to it directly via localhost address (127.0.0.1 or the local interface address) rather than via the Steam connection service.

Not entirely true., I run seven separate instances that are all synchronized together using Nexus. Is something that is quite common especially in large servers like stone industries or skunk works. It's a way to offload your player base to separate cores to increase performance and allow for more grids and players at the same time.