So what are small hydrogen tanks used for?

[Hellsmoke]

I'd love to know what the devs were thinking when they made these hydrogen tanks. Let's take a look at the large grid tanks.

Large grid small hydrogen tank - 1,000,000 L
Large grid large hydrogen tank - 15,000,000 L

So I need 15 small ones to equal 1 large tank. Let's look at the weight..

(Added one chair to both to get the weight)

15 Large grid small hydrogen tank - 47679,00 Kg
1 Large grid large hydrogen tank - 8636.60 Kg

So basically 15 small hydrogen tanks weigh 5 times as much as 1 large one meaning I'm going to need way more thrusters making them completely useless.

I've been trying to build a large grid fighter forever and I'm just about to give up because there are just too many dumb design decisions stopping me, completely limiting my creativity. I really am just about to rage quit and find another game that lets me build.

Not to mention now tanks explode destroying everything around them, brilliant design choice for these massive ugly tanks that are already a pain in the ass to hide. No wonder most ships look like bricks. Adding new armor shapes is fine and all but they wont do much apart from letting you round off that brick. Either that or you build a monster of a ship and correct me if I'm wrong but we have PCU limits for a reason. Why then does the game constantly force me to build a huge ships by making all these huge parts?

The new hydrogen thrusters are a whole block larger in length, absolutely dumb. Why? The other two thruster variants are the exact same size, why does hydrogen keep getting shafted?

Why is the jump drive so massive? Is building a massive ship the only option here?

Honestly, I am really frustrated with this game atm and am really considering giving it up and looking for another game that lets me build. I keep waiting and buying DLC in the hopes that SOMETHING eases these dumb restrictions but it doesn't look like it's happening.

[Katitoff]

Because... you might want lower capacity then full one? For example on fighter.
Also they don't explode as ferociously as big one and losing couple means you still have back-ups.

The new hydrogen thrusters are a whole block larger in length, absolutely dumb. Why? The other two thruster variants are the exact same size, why does hydrogen keep getting shafted?

Because its a cosmetic, not everyone does hardcore PvP, some people build things that look cool.

Why is the jump drive so massive? Is building a massive ship the only option here?

Massive? Not really. You can fit it in pretty compact ships, you have example in Surviving in Space scenario, where eventually you're being led to one.

Honestly, I am really frustrated with this game atm and am really considering giving it up and looking for another game that lets me build. I keep waiting and buying DLC in the hopes that SOMETHING eases these dumb restrictions but it doesn't look like it's happening.

Well, game isn't going to 180 its direction or mechanics with random cosmetic DLC in the future, this much I can tell you.

You want to play Empyrion.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I recently built a small-grid starter mining ship that I needed for mining on a moon, but also in space. I didn't want or need a large-grid hydrogen tank for it, and it wouldn't fit with the design, so I used a series of small hydrogen tanks. Yeah, I wish they were a bit more convenient to use (3x3x2, like the oxygen tank, would be awesome), but they worked out well nevertheless. Regardless, you're always better off to go with the bigger versions of components (tank, thrusters, etc.) because you'll always have a better performance-to-weight ratio, but sometimes you just can't.

[Hellsmoke]

Originally posted by Katitoff:

Because... you might want lower capacity then full one? For example on fighter.

Why would I want a lower capacity? I'd like to fly the ship for more than 5 minutes without having to refuel.

Originally posted by Katitoff:

Because its a cosmetic, not everyone does hardcore PvP, some people build things that look cool.

I'm not doing hardcore pvp either and I don't think it looks cool which is exactly my problem. It ceases to be cosmetic the moment the size changes because with that the limitations are increased. The thruster looks way better than the old one but at price of a stricter limitation. If you want the cool looking one it sticks out half a mile to make sure everyone can hit it with their eyes closed...

Originally posted by Katitoff:

Massive? Not really. You can fit it in pretty compact ships, you have example in Surviving in Space scenario, where eventually you're being led to one.

It's 18 blocks of space and it's a huge square with no connection ports, it's a huge brick that you have to work around..come on now.

Originally posted by Katitoff:

Well, game isn't going to 180 its direction or mechanics with random cosmetic DLC in the future, this much I can tell you.

Not asking for a 180, I'm asking for more compact blocks so we can build better looking ships. I'm not expecting anything for free either, I own every DLC. Better looking ships on Youtube draws in new players btw, new players is more cash.

Originally posted by Katitoff:

You want to play Empyrion.

Maybe I'll check it out, thanks.

[Hellsmoke]

Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff:

Regardless, you're always better off to go with the bigger versions of components (tank, thrusters, etc.) because you'll always have a better performance-to-weight ratio, but sometimes you just can't.

Yeah I tried to get some large thrusters pointing downward on my fighter, I gave that up real quick. Between all the space that takes and those tanks I'll end up with another monster in no time. So instead I had to spam like 20 small ones which not only kills the look but makes it a real challenge using hydrogen thrusters trying to connect them all and still keep a compact look.

I didn't want to do a hybrid because I'm always carrying around a ton of weight that isn't being used like ion on planets or atmo in space. Not to mention if you are making a fighter where are you going to fit all those thrusters? Frustrating.

[frag2k4]

Personally I use the smaller tanks when building with the other thruster types and simply need an afterburner, so Ion or Atmo based craft. The smaller tanks naturally take up less room and since I only have a single hydrogen thruster the smaller tanks are much better since drain is low anyway.

If going for an all hydrogen build the large tanks are typically better, but the smaller tanks have use too, just a matter of how inventive you are, like hydrogen tank missiles.

[Dan2D3D]

Hi, they choose from the most wanted and smaller Hydro tanks was in and they choosed it at some point.

And told the community to create new Portal "Petitions" so they can choose from the most wanted to add in the next game update so I recommned to go create a new Portal Feedback to have a chance they select yours for the next update.

Use the Portal search tool first because more than a lot are partitcipating.

Support Portal = https://support.keenswh.com/spaceengineers/pc
(create "Bug report" or "Request help"(Private) or "Feedback"(Petition) on the Portal)

[Antaiir]

Build a SG rover and just need some H to refill your jetpack every now and then while exploring: have fun placing a large tank into a small vehicle. ;-)

[Dan2D3D]

I just used the Portal search tool and nobody asked about the mass where it's too heavy to use so I recommend to create a new Portal Feedback with a good title.

- Important to know on Portal Feedback (suggestion) :

1 - Feedbacks must have only one idea in for the vote system to work properly, more than one idea to vote on will become unusable.

2 - A good title that shows what is in to vote on will give it a better visibility to have more votes.

[Hellsmoke]

Originally posted by Antaiir:

Build a SG rover and just need some H to refill your jetpack every now and then while exploring: have fun placing a large tank into a small vehicle. ;-)

You don't need a tank at all to fill your jetpack bottles. All you need is an o2/h2 generator and some ice lol.

Originally posted by frag2k4:

the smaller tanks have use too, just a matter of how inventive you are, like hydrogen tank missiles.

Good point, I suppose they do have their uses in some odd situations, I still think they are too heavy though for what they are.

Originally posted by Dan2D3D:

Hi, they choose from the most wanted and smaller Hydro tanks was in and they choosed it at some point.

I like them, don't get me wrong, in fact that is exactly what I am asking for but the weight and how many you need compared to a large on makes their use limited. I like the block, I just think they need balancing.

[Dan2D3D]

I did not found any use for it so far tho I tried with the Hydro engine on a Atmos ship and it was better to use Batteries and I never tried the small Hydro tanks again.

= useless for me too, well I only used it one time and noticed it was useless on Atmos ship.

[Dan2D3D]

I will add :

I did not tried with Hydro thrusters because it seemed not a good move and why I tried with the Hydro Engine.

imo = not a good move to use the small Hydro tank for a Hydro thruster ship.

[Hellsmoke]

Originally posted by Dan2D3D:

I will add :

I did not tried with Hydro thrusters because it seemed not a good move and why I tried with the Hydro Engine.

imo = not a good move to use the small Hydro tank for a Hydro thruster ship.

Yeah I agree after comparing the weight, 5 times the weight of a large one is way too much to make it worth it. To compensate I'll need more thrusters which in return will burn more hydrogen. It literally isn't worth it by a long shot.

[Dan2D3D]

Maybe on a race car where we could use a few backward and forward Hydro thrusters as "Nitro / short Booster"?

But for ship thrusters = No go.

[Antaiir]

Originally posted by Hellsmoke77:

Originally posted by Antaiir:

Build a SG rover and just need some H to refill your jetpack every now and then while exploring: have fun placing a large tank into a small vehicle. ;-)

You don't need a tank at all to fill your jetpack bottles. All you need is an o2/h2 generator and some ice lol.

You're such a fun killer.... ;-)))

But of course you are right, you don't _need_ the tank for this. But i had a few blocks left empty on my little rover, so i had to find some use to fill the empty space... et voila: The Tank (with a tank inside). :-D

[Ronin Planetary Industries]

The small hydrogen tanks fit nicely in-line where you'd normally place conveyors. In smaller, compact builds this is useful. Of course, there are economies of scale. So if you're going to place 13.5 small hydrogen tanks, then you're using up as much space as a large tank.

As mentioned above, being able to distribute your hydrogen around might be helpful in dangerous situation.