Old turrets are obsolete

[Marneus_FR]

The gatling and missiles turrets are now obsolete for several reasons:

-the custom turret bloc allows for far more powerful yet easy to use PMTs. Exemple: quad autocanon PMT is more powerful and has a better hitbox than gat turret. Double reloadable rocket launcher PMT outclass the standard rocket turret.

-they are too big for what they bring, why would I put a single minigun in this 3x3x3 space when I can put an arty turret with two guns big guns.

-they look bad compared to the new turrets

-low range and missiles are the only projectiles that can be intercepted

Solutions:

-the large grid gat turret is now a 3x3x2 similar to the assault gun turret with either two or four guns to act as a proper CIWS

-the missile turret should be able to fire a continuous salvo like the fixed rocket launcher and could be made into a 3x3x2 as well with maybe a 1000 or 1400m range

[TwinChops]

You forgot one thing, its much more expansive to run a Custom turret in Both Materials and PCU cost.

[herrschaftg35]

They are not obsolete, just out-ranged. The rate of fire for both gatling and rocket launchers are still better than any other turret. And the gatling/interior turrets are still the best options for point defense. Doesn't matter how many guns you put on a custom turret, one hit to a hinge or rotor can render them useless.

I have still yet to see a custom turret be controlled by the AI without flaws.

[Marneus_FR]

Originally posted by TwinChops:

You forgot one thing, its much more expansive to run a Custom turret in Both Materials and PCU cost.

Not that much in PCU. As for raw materials, the cost is a tradeoff for the insane firepower you can get with PMTs.

Even so, gatling and missile turrets are not on the same league as other new vanilla turrets.

[Marneus_FR]

Originally posted by herrschaftg35:

They are not obsolete, just out-ranged. The rate of fire for both gatling and rocket launchers are still better than any other turret. And the gatling/interior turrets are still the best options for point defense. Doesn't matter how many guns you put on a custom turret, one hit to a hinge or rotor can render them useless.

I have still yet to see a custom turret be controlled by the AI without flaws.

Although the hinge is a weak part for PMTs, they still have a much smaller hitbox, and you can build a heavy armor shield on your turret (like a german WW2 4x20mm if yuu see what I mean).

As for PDs, they are only useful against the 800m missiles. And even there, gatling PMTs are better due to the volume of fire. Against fighters, a quad AC is just more efficient as a single salvo can disable most components, even armored.

I personally have no problem with the AI on small ball turrets. It tends to wiggle on big turrets but small turrets are both stable and accurate.

[TwinChops]

What do you mean by "Not that much in PCU"? Did you even checked? The Quad AC turret you meantioned costs 677 PCU without adding any armor to it. A Standart Gatling turret is 225 so you can fit about 3 gatling turrets for just one of your Quad AC turrets.

And dont even get me started on the Ammo, you just get really low 16 shots out of one Box of AC ammo, while the gatling one is 140 shots for just almost the double material cost.

[rex00134]

Well personally i think thats part of the point. Gatling and missile turrets are somewhat inferior in all but cost, but they also require no setup whatsoever beyond pumping ammo in. Theyre better for smaller, cheaper ship designs, while being massively outclassed on large, 2+ crewed ships

[Spaceman Spiff]

I considered replacing one or more of my vanilla gatling and/or missile turrets with one of them new-fangled turrets, but my old turrets started spittin' and cussin'. I think that is what is called "Turrets Syndrome".

[BenchWarmer]

Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff:

I considered replacing one or more of my vanilla gatling and/or missile turrets with one of them new-fangled turrets, but my old turrets started spittin' and cussin'. I think that is what is called "Turrets Syndrome".

Oh, good one, Spiff!

[Quill]

Originally posted by Marneus_FR:

Originally posted by herrschaftg35:

They are not obsolete, just out-ranged. The rate of fire for both gatling and rocket launchers are still better than any other turret. And the gatling/interior turrets are still the best options for point defense. Doesn't matter how many guns you put on a custom turret, one hit to a hinge or rotor can render them useless.

I have still yet to see a custom turret be controlled by the AI without flaws.

Although the hinge is a weak part for PMTs, they still have a much smaller hitbox, and you can build a heavy armor shield on your turret (like a german WW2 4x20mm if yuu see what I mean).

As for PDs, they are only useful against the 800m missiles. And even there, gatling PMTs are better due to the volume of fire. Against fighters, a quad AC is just more efficient as a single salvo can disable most components, even armored.

I personally have no problem with the AI on small ball turrets. It tends to wiggle on big turrets but small turrets are both stable and accurate.

If you turn on Shared Inertia this usually gets rid of the wiggle. if it's not enough increasing the braking force on the rotor and hinge usually does the trick.

Very useful info to know when making Cranes

[Vargali]

the old vanilla turrets have been obsolete for longer than the warfare 2 dlc, a look at the workshop confirms that... funny how some people think things are only obsolete when something NEW comes to vanilla play...

[Darkaiser]

One of the big drawbacks to custom turrets (specifically the 'ball' turrets made inside hinge blocks) is that everything is so vulnerable. Hit that hinge part and the whole gun is gone and from the side the hinge part is essentially the whole gun so hitting it is easy.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Originally posted by BenchWarmer:

Oh, good one, Spiff!

Thanks. I'll be playing this house all week!

(I think I'll keep my day job, though.)

[XIII]

I wish the gattling would be either smaller or more effective. Right now its just a bit ridiculous, takes as much space as way larger cannons, but has so little firewpower and is super fragile.

[Marneus_FR]

Originally posted by XIII:

I wish the gattling would be either smaller or more effective. Right now its just a bit ridiculous, takes as much space as way larger cannons, but has so little firewpower and is super fragile.

This.

[Jean3000]

The original turrets inferior but not obsolete if you consider things like pcu cost and you need a projector on the new custom turrets if you want to quickly fix them without rebuilding them every time they get shot up. You also need to consider the performance impact that a grid full of custom turrets might have on your world, especially in multiplayer where everyone else would want to do the same.