Conveyor sorter Ice&Hydrogen

[CptVodka]

Edit:

Originally posted by CptVodka:

I just tested what Gorbadon said.
I can confirm that gasses do pass through sorters (no matter what is sorted), but ONLY in the opposite direction.
So for example:

< = Sorter to left
> = Sorter to right
- = Conveyor
Case 1:
Hydro Thruster 1 - Cargo <- Connector -> Ice -> o2/h2Gen - Hydro Thruster 2
Gas will flow from o2/h2 to Hydro Thruster 2, but won't go farther than Connector to the left, and thus Hydro Thruster 1 is not powered.

Case 2:
Hydro Thruster 1 - Cargo <- Connector -> Ice -> o2/h2Gen -> Hydro Thruster 2
Gas won't flow to either Hydro Thruster 1 or 2, because gasses ONLY flow against the "current" of sorters.

Case 3:
Hydro Thruster 1 - Cargo <-> Connector -> Ice -> o2/h2Gen - Hydro Thruster 2
Gas will power both Thrusters.

Original post:

So i'm building a system to split ice from general storage. Since my ship is primarily fueled by hydrogen, the hydrogen from the ice compartment has to be able to pass into the general conveyor system as well.
Instead of making two seperate systems running parallel through the whole ship.. I tried using sorters to restrict the ice from leaving the ice/generator/tank compartment, but it seems as if hydrogen doesn't want to move out of there either.

Here's a flowchart:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZolBJ2AfvtzeeP2jpznltIYJJyeJftUg/view?usp=sharing

Dotted lines indicate sorter along with their whitelist/blacklist.
Arrows indicate direction of travel enforced by sorters.

[Geck0]

I just sent an access request.

[Mojo]

Hydrogen or Oxygen will not pass through sorters. I have never been successful with it.

[CptVodka]

Originally posted by Gecko:

I just sent an access request.

Ah ♥♥♥♥, it should be public now :P

[Gorbadon]

As far as I know gases flow against the direction the sorter is filtering items.

A bit weird and unintuitive, I think they are that way so you can pull out ore from a miner and refuel it with hydrogen with only one sorter.

I may be wrong though I usualy use inventory manager scripts and rarely use sorters other than to get rid of stone or gravel, so that could have changed without me noticing.

[CptVodka]

Originally posted by Mojo:

Hydrogen or Oxygen will not pass through sorters. I have never been successful with it.

Oh i see.. That really sucks. I guess i'll have to re-think my piping then.
In the worst case, i'll just have to use a script to handle it all. The reason i wanted to go for this is because i'm using the water mod. So i could basically just place myself over a lake and start fueling up. The drawback of this: You get flooded with ice.
I'm not sure if the scripts would actually block materials from entering a storage if the intended storage is 100% full :P

Originally posted by Gorbadon:

As far as I know gases flow against the direction the sorter is filtering items.

A bit weird and unintuitive, I think they are that way so you can pull out ore from a miner and refuel it with hydrogen with only one sorter.

I may be wrong though I usualy use inventory manager scripts and rarely use sorters other than to get rid of stone or gravel, so that could have changed without me noticeing.

Hm. That could be checked pretty easy. In my setup, that explains why it's not flowing since my connecter is basically like this < Conn >
So the gasses would flow back to the connector, but then get stuck there. I'll have to check that out this evening :)
As for inventory managers.. Does the scripts actually block overfilling containers?

[Gorbadon]

Originally posted by CptVodka:

As for inventory managers.. Does the scripts actually block overfilling containers?

If you mean filling gas tanks no, I usualy use tanks that are seperated from the rest of the network to depressurize rooms.
Most scripts that I know that are ment to keep space in a tank just turn off the O2/H2 generators if tanks are at a set fill level.

Edit:
Sorry just noticed you are speaking of ice, you would need an other script to stop pumping ice into your storage if you don't want to limit it with sorters.

[Geck0]

I think you may have to do something drastic to separate the ice from the main conveyor network without also separating hydrogen and oxygen since on both whitelist and blacklist, sorters don't let gas through.
You could do some mechanism using connectors, but I don't believe there's any reasonable method of doing this.

[Dan2D3D]

Hi, ice and Hydrogen are all auto so it should work without using any Sorter.

Ice = Will always go to O2/H2 Gen auto.

Hydrogen = Will allways go to the Hydo tank and Hydro thrusters auto.

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We can transfer Hydrogen and Oxygen to another tank by using the "Stockpile" option on tanks.

I recomment to find the no-Sorter version first because a lot is already auto in this game, even ores.

> Use Sorter later when the easy/basic working setup is found.

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I use Sorter to create a IN and a OUT on my stations and ships :

IN = Where I empty my ships in one second > Sorter that will Drain all.

OUT = Where I can take out what I need, and that side must not have a Sorter.

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I ususally place the Sorter block on the Container port I want my shtuff to go in.

>> Transfer all to a Station Container <<

1 - Sorter placed on the container port you want your "items" to go in.

2 - Sorter settings = Add the "items" in sorter "Whitelist" with "Drain ALL" on.

= That will empty your connected ship in one second :

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1781171790

[CptVodka]

I just tested what Gorbadon said.
I can confirm that gasses do pass through sorters (no matter what is sorted), but ONLY in the opposite direction.
So for example:

< = Sorter to left
> = Sorter to right
- = Conveyor
Case 1:
Hydro Thruster 1 - Cargo <- Connector -> Ice -> o2/h2Gen - Hydro Thruster 2
Gas will flow from o2/h2 to Hydro Thruster 2, but won't go farther than Connector to the left, and thus Hydro Thruster 1 is not powered.

Case 2:
Hydro Thruster 1 - Cargo <- Connector -> Ice -> o2/h2Gen -> Hydro Thruster 2
Gas won't flow to either Hydro Thruster 1 or 2, because gasses ONLY flow against the "current" of sorters.

Case 3:
Hydro Thruster 1 - Cargo <-> Connector -> Ice -> o2/h2Gen - Hydro Thruster 2
Gas will power both Thrusters.

[JarutheDamaja]

Did you also test it with oxygen? Because my testing that I did before the Triton update, was that oxygen flows with the sorters current and only hydogen against it.

[CptVodka]

Originally posted by Dan2D3D:

Long post

Thanks for the response, but it wasn't exactly what i was looking for :P
I needed to seperate the storage. I.e, full cargo containers of ice with nothing in them but ice, and the other part of the cargo with no ice.
This is because of either ice flooding containers, leaving room for nothing else, or the reverse, no room for ice.

The issue was that hydrogen didn't want to move from the ice compartment to the rest of the ship with how i built it.

If you watch my flowchart in the original post.. All i had to do to make it work 100% as it should..
Reverse the flow on the bottom "Ice blacklist" and just set it to.. Whatever i wanted. I ended up setting it as Ice whitelist, so that if ice ever ended up in general storage, it goes back to the ice storage :)

[CptVodka]

Originally posted by JarutheDamaja:

Did you also test it with oxygen? Because my testing that I did before the Triton update, was that oxygen flows with the sorters current and only hydogen against it.

Oh ♥♥♥♥. I didn't check with oxygen. I'll have to do that too then xD

[Dan2D3D]

I see, I am more use to create different stations so one for ice only that I use the refill my ships and that station does not have any of the other blocks on it, so "Gaz" stations with O2/H2 Gens + Tanks + Wind Turbines or Solar panels with batteries only on that station.

Edit
Oh! and a large container to empty/take the ice in my mining ship.

[JarutheDamaja]

I did some new testings:
Tested on a static Large Grid on Earth. Blocks "somewhat" aligned to East.
With tanks on both sides using the "stockpile" function.
Conclusion:
Hydrogen does flow in both directions of sorters flow, but only in 2 directions (Not tested vertical yet)
If the arrow points to East or North the hydrogen does not flow.
Same for oxygen just opposite, if the arrow points to East or North oxygen does flow.

Interesting how it would behaves on a ship or a rotor. Or a base differently aligned.
Small grid?
Devs?
Is it just me?

[Dan2D3D]

@JarutheDamaja

I never tested about East or North and don't think it is a thing.

I just redo a new concept when I made a not working one and I always find a solution.