Chunks like minecraft in space engineers

[Hrubsch]

Why is there no chunk system like in minecraft to reduce laggs?

[Master Queef]

Because potatoes dont belong here

[Oddity]

Because it wouldn't work.
In minecraft, things fit onto a grid, and don't move (with the exception of mobs/players).
In space engineers, giant ships move.
When objects are X distance away they do disapeer, so it does have as close as it can to a chunks system, but you just can't do it like in minecraft.
The two games are so different.

[rb303]

Those turn blocks into entities, which freeze and dont do anything when in unloaded chunks

[Mabs]

引用自 Streaming Phoenix：

引用自 LjSpike：

Because it wouldn't work.
In minecraft, things fit onto a grid, and don't move (with the exception of mobs/players).
In space engineers, giant ships move.
When objects are X distance away they do disapeer, so it does have as close as it can to a chunks system, but you just can't do it like in minecraft.
The two games are so different.

You mean...apart from all those mods that allow things to move you mean? Archimedies airships, the various frame mods, or even simple piston doors?

An object in Minecraft that looks like it's made out of blocks but moves isn't actually a block. They're entities; just like the player, the chests, the minecarts, etc. Very different from the game's world geometry.

[Kronos]

Because you have absolutely no idea how game design works.

[Canadian Normandy]

yeah... minecraft is a game that is coded with a completely different engine. anything minecraft does to optimize performance simply wouldnt work in se. its like saying if you cook raw meat it'll make it edible, so if you cook a shoe it'll have the same effect.

[MechanizedCheese]

What is this "Chunking" referring to? Is it the method of memory reduction or the rendering workload reduction?

Because the space engineer currently have 2 kind of lags, one is the update timestep spikes lower than 60 ups(which is when the sim speed lower than 1.0), the other is the usual game's low fps related to graphics

The first one could technically be optimized by "zipping" the memory of blocks when it is outside the view range, but if said method appied don't expect there will be working physics when the grid is out of range.

The second one's solution is working by keen as the "render optimization"

[Mabs]

引用自 MapleNormandy：

yeah... minecraft is a game that is coded with a completely different engine. anything minecraft does to optimize performance simply wouldnt work in se. its like saying if you cook raw meat it'll make it edible, so if you cook a shoe it'll have the same effect.

[akurathedragonblader]

引用自 Steel Beowulf：

The first one could technically be optimized by "zipping" the memory of blocks when it is outside the view range, but if said method appied don't expect there will be working physics when the grid is out of range.

That's essentially what chunking is. Note that Minecraft world savefiles are constantly updated in real time, so chunking saves that data to the hard drive. At least in singleplayer, SE worlds are only saved when the actual save command is used, either by the player or autosave, so chunking doesn't work here.

[BRRM]

引用自 akurathedragonblader：

引用自 Steel Beowulf：

The first one could technically be optimized by "zipping" the memory of blocks when it is outside the view range, but if said method appied don't expect there will be working physics when the grid is out of range.

That's essentially what chunking is. Note that Minecraft world savefiles are constantly updated in real time, so chunking saves that data to the hard drive. At least in singleplayer, SE worlds are only saved when the actual save command is used, either by the player or autosave, so chunking doesn't work here.

that sounds like it would make it worse...

[Hrubsch]

but I mean chunks for the planets not for the ships

[BlackUmbrellas]

引用自 hrubesch：

but I mean chunks for the planets not for the ships

Then it's even more obvious why it wouldn't work- planets are round, Minecraft is a flat plane.

(Chunking, for the sake of other people, is how Minecraft's world is saved as a collection of "towers" 16x16x256 blocks in dimension, arranged in a grid like a chess board. The game only loads the chunks that are within a certain distance of a player, and the rest of the world is unloaded until called on when the player moves closer.)

[Lystent]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=802720212
Know the qoute from the loading screen about how the best time to study things is when they are falling apart...

[BlackUmbrellas]

引用自 Lystent：

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=802720212
Know the qoute from the loading screen about how the best time to study things is when they are falling apart...

IIRC, that's more of a rendering thing. The actual loading of voxel information works differently.

[Lystent]

引用自 BlackUmbrellas：

引用自 Lystent：

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=802720212
Know the qoute from the loading screen about how the best time to study things is when they are falling apart...

IIRC, that's more of a rendering thing. The actual loading of voxel information works differently.

I know, but they it does show they already considered that option.