Its so easy to accidentally screw yourself over.

[Thatsvenguy]

I'm on try #4 to do survival and try as I might, I always end up in a situation where all I can do is sit on my hands because I've broken the only means of my progressing. I'm not waiting on the moon for the sun to come up and jump-start my hydrogen engine. There really needs to be some way to start from absolute bone scratch so you cant screw a whole save up.

Or maybe I'm just retarded and shouldn't be playing this game. /shrug

[Teamkiller]

The ability to screw youself is a key feature of this game for me. It differs it from such a games as Empyrion or Astroneer. That creates an ultimate punishment for the stupidest errors (the game is still very forgiving actualy) and you are realy afraid.

So it is a good thing to always have some backup meens of production and power and reserves of oxigen. Even at late game. Survival constructor,some oxigen bottles, fully charged backup battery and solar panel are must-have for every mission. Even for simple ice transfer.

[Thatsvenguy]

Man I haven't even gotten that far, Its always a matter of me grinding something down with the assumption that I'll get all the stuff back like most items. Then finding out that, no, you cannot move a battery without losing the power cells. Which is how I screwed myself. I didn't know that, and know I'm paying for it. Because I can build a spaceship but I can't move a battery form place to another.

[Weaver]

Battery is the one component you won't get back. If you are on a planet with no atmosphere just slap a couple solar panels on the starting vehicle and start mining stone, then start building a base platform with a battery and solar panels and a basic assembler. Don't dismantle the starting vehicle until you have this stuff build and an o2/h2 generator, then move the survival kit to the base platform. Now even if you die from lack of oxygen or anything else you'll have a safe respawn point.

[=)]

I turned the pod into a buggy. Rip out the seat, widen the armor enough in the front to fit a cockpit and slap some wheels around it. Can redo the connectors enough to even hook up the cockpit to the survival kit and bang a drill on the nose of the cockpit.. instant stone processing

[Tibbs]

Drop in on the moon, use the bottom thruster of the pod as a way to move forward, find either "north" or "south" pole of the moon, they're loaded with ice caps. Build a base, finite supply of ice for your o2/h2 generator, dig stone, create resources. That alone with the cockpit/connector ro your base will give you survivability. Then just do your thing, look for ore, or rob a passing NPC with your grinder to get thruster components and eat your heart out after you established your home.

[Thatsvenguy]

I finally got myself figured out, but damn it would be nice if you could run a power cable form a ship to a platform or something like that.

[krzosu18]

well its easy to counter - just make sure you have enough power cells to make a small power cell attached via rotors small head - that will junp start things from there (aka to make hydro from ice for eg). and if power runs out - then just grind down the battery and replace it. Sorta crude but effective. just make a box close by to storage some of the components to make those batteries there so they are close and handy use.

[Dakota]

Originally posted by Thatsvenguy:

I finally got myself figured out, but damn it would be nice if you could run a power cable form a ship to a platform or something like that.

I was thinking the same thing, solar panels are so weak even compared to just a basic battery in a rover.

[krzosu18]

Originally posted by Dakota:

Originally posted by Thatsvenguy:

I finally got myself figured out, but damn it would be nice if you could run a power cable form a ship to a platform or something like that.

I was thinking the same thing, solar panels are so weak even compared to just a basic battery in a rover.

Thats why you need to make solar farms - place 40 of those and you wont have power problms at all. Initially you might also use power efficiency modules to lower the energy costs as well

[arthum.inglorion]

Originally posted by krzosu18:

Originally posted by Dakota:

I was thinking the same thing, solar panels are so weak even compared to just a basic battery in a rover.

Thats why you need to make solar farms - place 40 of those and you wont have power problms at all. Initially you might also use power efficiency modules to lower the energy costs as well

Best things for solar panels are solar alignment scripts. Full efficiency power generation for the entire day is a good thing.

[krzosu18]

Originally posted by arthum.inglorion:

Originally posted by krzosu18:

Thats why you need to make solar farms - place 40 of those and you wont have power problms at all. Initially you might also use power efficiency modules to lower the energy costs as well

Best things for solar panels are solar alignment scripts. Full efficiency power generation for the entire day is a good thing.

No argue there - but some ppl eit adept enough to use such things - so in their eyes - just slapping ton of panels just solves the entire issue firsthand. :P

[Dakota]

Originally posted by krzosu18:

Originally posted by Dakota:

I was thinking the same thing, solar panels are so weak even compared to just a basic battery in a rover.

Thats why you need to make solar farms - place 40 of those and you wont have power problms at all. Initially you might also use power efficiency modules to lower the energy costs as well

Yeah I know, but do you hear what you are saying? "Oh just place like 40 solar panels down", do you realize how much more expensive that is than just a single battery or reactor? Either way last time I was in survival I slapped down 5 solar panels on a rotor and manually turned it towards the sun when needed since i didn't want to spend resources on a programming block just yet trying to run my basic refinery and basic assembly station/drill platform that took around an hour to setup just mining with a single ship drill slapped onto the moon rover after I put the survival kit on the front so I could mine a bunch of rock quickly to keep the kit pumping out steel plates.

Issue might be that I was playing on realistic so it takes over 20 refined iron for a single plate of steel and with those inventory sizes it would take me over an hour just bringing the parts to each of the 40 panels even if I could build them instantly.

Meanwhile I'm just wondering why I can't rig some jumper cables to my basic assembler to power it while the sun is on the other side of the planet so that I can build a large steel pipe to further my mining efforts.

[derFuchsi]

I'm feeling with you. Just trying my first survival game.

[krzosu18]

Originally posted by Dakota:

Originally posted by krzosu18:

Thats why you need to make solar farms - place 40 of those and you wont have power problms at all. Initially you might also use power efficiency modules to lower the energy costs as well

Yeah I know, but do you hear what you are saying? "Oh just place like 40 solar panels down", do you realize how much more expensive that is than just a single battery or reactor? Either way last time I was in survival I slapped down 5 solar panels on a rotor and manually turned it towards the sun when needed since i didn't want to spend resources on a programming block just yet trying to run my basic refinery and basic assembly station/drill platform that took around an hour to setup just mining with a single ship drill slapped onto the moon rover after I put the survival kit on the front so I could mine a bunch of rock quickly to keep the kit pumping out steel plates.

Issue might be that I was playing on realistic so it takes over 20 refined iron for a single plate of steel and with those inventory sizes it would take me over an hour just bringing the parts to each of the 40 panels even if I could build them instantly.

Meanwhile I'm just wondering why I can't rig some jumper cables to my basic assembler to power it while the sun is on the other side of the planet so that I can build a large steel pipe to further my mining efforts.

Well - there is no doubt there are differences now - aka where you play - it does matter - and thats good for flavor - aka the different place now is equall to differernt play style on that planet personally i adore that aspect although i do see some ppl might prefer it a bit different and thats okay too. Solar power is quite easy to spinn up relatively quickly - ofc it does starts very slowly at first and its as it should be - aka free power long term = a lot of initiall effort initially to set it up.

As resources go - you can make 3-4 basic refinieries relatively easly and those will spun a lot of silicon relatively quickly - for batteries and solar cells. you can even initally make some batteires for power to drain them and then grind and replace all the mean while adding a panel bit by bit to the mix.

as for plates - well for eg i begun to play on titan with the spiders on - basially i was glad when ive heard them dug out - since it always meant - 100+ free metal plates and other varoius free parts - so ya - it was a bit more challanging at first but it helped my Eco alot :)

So atm the game is much more flexible - and each aproach has its pros and cons - if you deliberatly went for moon - then yah - its going to be a grindy tale for you - but hey that was your choice right ?

Also there is the intent of game devs that the very early game should be sorta long and grindy so there is that aspect as well.

Or just build a small hydro engine - grab some ice and boost your power with it as well - the options are there - almost from the start.

I admit going pure solar is tougher but there is nothing stopping you from rubbing in some other tech - even temprarily right ?

But of if you do decide to go full solar then going for assembler and refinery with all power modules on them should be your top priority as soon as possible - and when you do you should be laughing. Cheers

[Thatsvenguy]

Well the saga of me getting bent over continues, as i built a mining ship, kind of a piece of crap but it flew nicely and had lots of room, well I couldn't get it stopped and crashed it. Feels good having 2-3 hours of work vaporize cause like, 11 ion engines full burn cant stop an ice truck in low gravity. I don't think I've ever had a game make me so angry before.