Extremely poor CPU performance

[Eastman51]

My CPU runs at 100% most of the time in experimental mode and I get 20fps on planets 30 in space. my GPU is perfectly fine. Meanwhile in non-experimental mode I get 20fps on planets, 50 in space. If I join a server, then I get 20-30 on planets and 50-60 in space (experimental mode). This is on absolute max and absolute low graphics settings.
CPU: i5-4670k
RAM: 32 GB DDR3 1600MHz
GPU: 1070 @ 2GHz
game install: 970 EVO 500GB (is installed on gen2 4x PCIe slot, so runs at 1/3 speed)
My laptop runs the game at 80fps (on planets) on medium across the board
laptop specs
CPU: i6-7300HQ
16GB DDR4
1050 Ti @ 1.7GHz
game install: 960 EVO 500GB (full speed)

I would like to get my current CPU to 60fps, but I'm concerned I may need to upgrade.
I was thinking about upgrading to a Ryzen 5 2600 or 2600x. I can't seem to find definitive answers as to wether or not these CPUs are good for this game. This game seems to be the most intensive CPU wise, except maybe cities skylines, every other game I have is GPU intensive. I'll have to halve my RAM to cut costs, but thats fine. SSD performance would increase due to the newer board.
Edit: when I join my dedicated server it takes 5 min to load planet surface on my desktop. laptop is fine

[Dan2D3D]

I use a very old i5 760


Nothing runs in WIndows when I play games cause I want my CPU and GPU used only for the game and I don't have any problems.

Tho better have more cores to do live steaming, video recording, etch ........
= more core will help

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I still play with my 7 years old computer and no plablems at all.

80 FPS on planet and 121 FPS in space.

My Old computer :

Motherboard ASUS P7P55 LX............................................. (7 years old)
Intel Core i5 cpu 760 @ 2.80GHz 2.80 GHz ........................(7 years old)

RAM 16 Gb (new)
Sys. Win10 Pro 64 bit (new)
Graphics NVIDIA GTX 1050 Ti (new)

[Eastman51]

Originally posted by Nihl:

Originally posted by Eastman51:

I have a PCI sound card. Its more convenient to use than onboard audio.

Modern motherboards have great quality audio. With Ryzen 7 8-core CPU you must look only into x370/x470 motherboards, as B series chipsets have weaker VRMs, and these boards, specially from ASUS or Asrock have amazing quality sound cards. But if you really want to keep your PCI sound card, you can always buy PCI-E to PCI riser cable/card

If I get a riser, I won't have sound for a couple days But I'd be a sacrifice I'd be willing to make in terms of cost, but the only PCI riser I can find on Amazon is like $40. Which is more expensive than buying the board off amazon.

[Nihl]

Originally posted by Dan2D3D:

I use a very old i5 760


Nothing runs in WIndows when I play games cause I want my CPU and GPU used only for the game and I don't have any problems.

Tho better have more cores to do live steaming, video recording, etch ........
= more core will help

_____

I still play with my 7 years old computer and no plablems at all.

80 FPS on planet and 121 FPS in space.

My Old computer :

Motherboard ASUS P7P55 LX............................................. (7 years old)
Intel Core i5 cpu 760 @ 2.80GHz 2.80 GHz ........................(7 years old)

RAM 16 Gb (new)
Sys. Win10 Pro 64 bit (new)
Graphics NVIDIA GTX 1050 Ti (new)

I have no idea how you doing this.
Most of my mates who play SE and have 4 CPU threads had to upgrade after Multithreading havoc been implemented, because game became quite unplayable.

[Nihl]

I just actually Locked game to 4 CPU threads, turned off 4 cores, overclocked 4 remaining to 4.5ghz. Went to my survi world.

My Frames per second dropped VASTLY in planetary world to 30. Simspeed floats on 0.8, UPS is all over the place.Closer grids Im, more impact it gets. CPU usage is all around 100%, my GPU usage dropped to 40%, so it got bottlenecked as well.

In Empty space however im still on 120 FPS, but there is not much of voxels to render, I noticed that Voxels and planets/asteroids are the ones what heavily land on CPU threads. Specially when you start drilling.

[Dan2D3D]

@Nihl, @Eastman51 >> like I said :

> Nothing runs in Windows when I play a game.

> Also -> Just one Monitor used.

and my computer does not like it > when I Alt-Tab so I don't use, well I have to avoid.



120 fps in space so it's the best place to play for me :

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1473995268

Even playing with my absurdly HUGE ships :

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1458738142

[Eastman51]

Originally posted by Dan2D3D:

I use a very old i5 760


Nothing runs in WIndows when I play games cause I want my CPU and GPU used only for the game and I don't have any problems.

Tho better have more cores to do live steaming, video recording, etch ........
= more core will help

_____

I still play with my 7 years old computer and no plablems at all.

80 FPS on planet and 121 FPS in space.

My Old computer :

Motherboard ASUS P7P55 LX............................................. (7 years old)
Intel Core i5 cpu 760 @ 2.80GHz 2.80 GHz ........................(7 years old)

RAM 16 Gb (new)
Sys. Win10 Pro 64 bit (new)
Graphics NVIDIA GTX 1050 Ti (new)

How are you able to run that well on a CPU older than mine?

[Nihl]

Originally posted by Eastman51:

How are you able to run that well on a CPU older than mine?

Seems he just stripped system down from all the background, to leave all the CPU and GPU power exclusively for a game only.

[Eastman51]

Originally posted by Nihl:

Originally posted by Eastman51:

I have a PCI sound card. Its more convenient to use than onboard audio.
There is an Asus board that has 2, but its out of stock at Microcenter. I can get it on Amazon, but then I don't get $30 discount on CPU. RAM is also more $$ at microcenter, but CPU is like $30 cheaper at Microcenter. They also don't have PCIe to PCI risers at Microcenter, otherwise I'd get a board there.... idk

Try to check around other stores as well. Ryzen became very popular platform in last year. Popular enough it sells like hot buns.

I can go to the Microcenter that is 40 more minutes away, they have an open box of the board I'm looking for

[Dan2D3D]

Oh! I forgot

I play with Default Graphic preset > High 70 FOV


edit

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1444263336

Computer price 7 years ago = $1800 just for the tower.

[casualsailor]

I think you guys are ignoring the obvious elephant in the room: experimental mode.

These are the features which Keen has decided not to optimize prior to release. If you wish to enable these features then you cannot expect the game to run with optimal frame rates unless your hardware is beefy enough to overcome their performance hits.

I suspect that even the fastest hardware commercially available will not be able to sustain maximum framerates if enough of these "experimental featuers" are active simultaneously.

Keen has left us little choice when evaluating hardware to run SE. They are endevouring to make it run respectibly when "experimental features" are disabled. And they have provided minimum and recommended hardware specifications for that configuration.

The only way to properly evaluate hardware to run this game is with "experimental features" disabled.

But if you choose to enable "experiemental features" you are at the mercy of unoptimized code and may find that no amount of hardware will produce optimal results.

[Dan2D3D]

casualsailor,

well I play experimental with airtightness + Mods (I test the Mods first tho)

= Very good perfo

[Eastman51]

Originally posted by casualsailor:

I think you guys are ignoring the obvious elephant in the room: experimental mode.

These are the features which Keen has decided not to optimize prior to release. If you wish to enable these features then you cannot expect the game to run with optimal frame rates unless your hardware is beefy enough to overcome their performance hits.

I suspect that even the fastest hardware commercially available will not be able to sustain maximum framerates if enough of these "experimental featuers" are active simultaneously.

Keen has left us little choice when evaluating hardware to run SE. They are endevouring to make it run respectibly when "experimental features" are disabled. And they have provided minimum and recommended hardware specifications for that configuration.

The only way to properly evaluate hardware to run this game is with "experimental features" disabled.

But if you choose to enable "experiemental features" you are at the mercy of unoptimized code and may find that no amount of hardware will produce optimal results.

I think I found a solution, it doesn't lock me at 60fps, but it keeps me from being unplayable: voxel quality set to low. Now I get 40-59 while on my dedicated server. Not the best frames, but its playable. I should still upgrade, especially since its a pain, not to mention slow, to load a dedicated server on another machine just to play

[Dan2D3D]

Eastman51, I don't play on my Dedicated server, I use only for testing and mostly play local solo.

I'm a creative Guy so not much MP for me ;)

[Sich]

I have around 40/50 fps on medium on planet with my old by xeon x5470 (released in 2009) and a GTX 950 as graphic card. I run in experimental with a lot of mods...
I don't remember in space, but probably around 100fps.

[Botji]

I have a old I7 920 @3.6GHz CPU, super fancy GTX 680 GPU, 16GB DDR3 @1600MHz I think and NOT running the game from a SSD... its actually on a soon to be decade old 1TB storage drive.


Singleplayer
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1476938696

Multiplayer
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1476938339
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1476938537

Note the ~120 fps which is fairly stable but it does drop depending on what is going on, still very much above what I consider playable at all times besids OMFG-THE-WORLD-JUST-EXPLODED! situations.

Another thing to note is that the Thread CPU load is only like 15-30% in multiplayer and 30-40% in singleplayer. That is how much of my CPU is being used(it is the same if I pull up the task manager). That is me running the game, Steam, Skype, Discord as well as 5 Firefox windows with like 10-20 tabs each aaaand the other background stuff you would expect like AV etc so I dont believe for a second that anyone would need to upgrade to a CPU with more threads to run the game or have to lobotomize their computer to not run anything else but the game.

With abysmal performance like the OP gets I would suggest running some tool to check hardware usage(like MSI Afterburner or whatever) with the game and make check what is going on, is the CPU running only one core? is it running at a lower clock speed?

There is no reason your CPU should be running 100% for this game unless you have some sort of ginormous mega structure you havent told us about that you are playing with.