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Wygos Feb 10, 2020 @ 1:16pm
SIM SPEED any way to boost?
My fps are good always above 60 but simspeed is dead in more loaded map. And if you add weather ....GG unplayable.

Is there a way to boost simspeed? Alocating something whatever....
Why is simspeed droping if FPS are good?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GpXVjLDDoE
Last edited by Wygos; Feb 10, 2020 @ 1:23pm
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Gorbadon Feb 10, 2020 @ 1:26pm 
FPS is affected by GPU load, simspeed is affected by CPU load.

High FPS and low simspeed = CPU can't keep up.
Karmaterrorᵁᴷ Feb 10, 2020 @ 1:28pm 
As i understand it, sim speed is how well your processor is handling the simulation calculations. Where FPS is more dictated by how well you graphics card is handling the rendering.

So while its not a visually heavy scene you get 60fps, but your CPU is struggling with all the things happening in the world including what you cant see.

Im not sure but i believe some of the rendering does still use CPU, so maybe lowering graphics settings could slightly boost sim speed. If its dropping i guess your just over stressing your CPU though :)
Last edited by Karmaterrorᵁᴷ; Feb 10, 2020 @ 1:29pm
Dan2D3D  [developer] Feb 10, 2020 @ 1:54pm 
I have to find and delete the problem when the simspeed goes under 1.00

Things that can lower the simspeed are :

1 - Mods.

2 - Scripts.

3 - Complexe creation using a lot of rotors and pistons.

4 - Using too much of high PCU value blocks.
Wygos Feb 11, 2020 @ 1:47am 
Originally posted by Gorbadon:
FPS is affected by GPU load, simspeed is affected by CPU load.

High FPS and low simspeed = CPU can't keep up.
Dam so how much CPU this game needs?
I got 4790K

Also why so many calculations done by CPU when GPU is asleep?
Last edited by Wygos; Feb 11, 2020 @ 1:53am
Wygos Feb 11, 2020 @ 1:49am 
Originally posted by Dan2D3D:
I have to find and delete the problem when the simspeed goes under 1.00

Things that can lower the simspeed are :

1 - Mods.

2 - Scripts.

3 - Complexe creation using a lot of rotors and pistons.

4 - Using too much of high PCU value blocks.
I dont want to change it in game I want to change it in hardware.
Wygos Feb 11, 2020 @ 2:02am 
So yeah seems like CPU is sleeping also.
1 core whatever doing something at 80%
rest are below40%
https://ibb.co/KmX4M9j

So GPU sleeping, CPU sleeping, Ram is enough. what else?
Last edited by Wygos; Feb 11, 2020 @ 2:04am
Buzzard Feb 11, 2020 @ 2:03am 
Well, that processor looks to be just shy of 6 years old. It's still good, just not necessarily up to the load of putting some odd weather effects (and who knows what other mods) on an already resource-hungry game.

As far as adding hardware... well, just how much crap are you going to cram into SE before you bog down the new hardware?

Also, how much RAM are you playing with? Yes, this can be a bottleneck in being able to play at full sim speeds.


Seriously, you were doing fine until you called up the weather. Maybe do without that mod and not get bogged down so much.
Wygos Feb 11, 2020 @ 2:05am 
Originally posted by Buzzard:
Well, that processor looks to be just shy of 6 years old. It's still good, just not necessarily up to the load of putting some odd weather effects (and who knows what other mods) on an already resource-hungry game.

As far as adding hardware... well, just how much crap are you going to cram into SE before you bog down the new hardware?

Also, how much RAM are you playing with? Yes, this can be a bottleneck in being able to play at full sim speeds.


Seriously, you were doing fine until you called up the weather. Maybe do without that mod and not get bogged down so much.
1080GTX oc
16GB
4790K
clean win 10 like 4 weeks old without any software yet.
Also game is mostly vanilla like 4 simple block mods and bunch of scripts.

What you mean "Bog down new hardware"
Last edited by Wygos; Feb 11, 2020 @ 2:09am
XTAKK Feb 11, 2020 @ 2:41am 
scripts destroy sim speed. having a lot of calculations going on is going to wreck your sim speed, and scripts are notorious for causing problems even on high tier servers.
Last edited by XTAKK; Feb 11, 2020 @ 2:42am
Wygos Feb 11, 2020 @ 2:55am 
Originally posted by Syvyvn:
scripts destroy sim speed. having a lot of calculations going on is going to wreck your sim speed, and scripts are notorious for causing problems even on high tier servers.
But why ? I mean if CPU and GPU and RAM are free so why game is slowing down.
aaron Feb 11, 2020 @ 3:28am 
Originally posted by Wygos:
Originally posted by Syvyvn:
scripts destroy sim speed. having a lot of calculations going on is going to wreck your sim speed, and scripts are notorious for causing problems even on high tier servers.
But why ? I mean if CPU and GPU and RAM are free so why game is slowing down.

because its an old game thats not very optimized.
also your cpu is old.. a budget ryzen cpu is about twice as fast as your cpu.

just check the cinebench scores for a 4790k and a ryzen 3600.


you can probably get some performance overclocking your 4790k and disabling the spectre and meltdown patches.
Wygos Feb 11, 2020 @ 3:35am 
Originally posted by aaron:
Originally posted by Wygos:
But why ? I mean if CPU and GPU and RAM are free so why game is slowing down.

because its an old game thats not very optimized.
also your cpu is old.. a budget ryzen cpu is about twice as fast as your cpu.

just check the cinebench scores for a 4790k and a ryzen 3600.


you can probably get some performance overclocking your 4790k and disabling the spectre and meltdown patches.
How is it matter that its old if game is not using it?
Last edited by Wygos; Feb 11, 2020 @ 3:36am
aaron Feb 11, 2020 @ 3:40am 
Originally posted by Wygos:
Originally posted by aaron:

because its an old game thats not very optimized.
also your cpu is old.. a budget ryzen cpu is about twice as fast as your cpu.

just check the cinebench scores for a 4790k and a ryzen 3600.


you can probably get some performance overclocking your 4790k and disabling the spectre and meltdown patches.
How is it matter that its old if game is not using it?

not understanding the question.
just because you have x amount of ram or cpu speed, programs arent designed to use them 100%.

you have to code them certain ways to utilize cpu and ram.

this game is just generally coded to use whatever it can. at least its multi core, so a 8 core cpu like a ryzen 7 will be much better than your 4 core i7
Wygos Feb 11, 2020 @ 3:54am 
Originally posted by aaron:
Originally posted by Wygos:
How is it matter that its old if game is not using it?

not understanding the question.
just because you have x amount of ram or cpu speed, programs arent designed to use them 100%.

you have to code them certain ways to utilize cpu and ram.

this game is just generally coded to use whatever it can. at least its multi core, so a 8 core cpu like a ryzen 7 will be much better than your 4 core i7
My CPU is runing 50%. You say i need better CPU. Why? If its not using 100%.
p.s.
Besides razen is not a good example, Every time i read about problems with games its always razen.
Last edited by Wygos; Feb 11, 2020 @ 3:56am
aaron Feb 11, 2020 @ 4:02am 
Originally posted by Wygos:
Originally posted by aaron:

not understanding the question.
just because you have x amount of ram or cpu speed, programs arent designed to use them 100%.

you have to code them certain ways to utilize cpu and ram.

this game is just generally coded to use whatever it can. at least its multi core, so a 8 core cpu like a ryzen 7 will be much better than your 4 core i7
My CPU is runing 50%. You say i need better CPU. Why? If its not using 100%.
p.s.
Besides razen is not a good example, Every time i read about problems with games its always razen.


cpus have something called IPC which stands for instructions per clock.
newer cpus have better tech that allows a higher IPC..
sticking with intel the ipc from the 4th gen haswell to the 7th gen kaby lake was significantly higher. going to the 8th gen coffee lake is even higher.

a 6c/12t 8700k would be a huge upgrade. plus you get ddr4 memory and higher buss speeds.
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