TIM, Isys, Auto LCD

[ratheden]

Looking for help with Tims's Isys and Auto Lcd2

What i am really after is a few things,
Firstly, Is isys auto inventory or TIM's better/worse to use for refinery managemet,
Secondly Can some one make me a world where as much as they knnow about tags and TIMS can be setup? For example, i am having problems keeping stone out of my refinerys, and this tis the tag i am using:
[TIM Stone:0 Uranium:100 ice:0 Auto],
I had hoped this would keep out ice and stone and only run uranium... but stone keeps getting refined, it should i thought, make uranium till 100 is stored and then auto, but no stone/ice....

I know this might seem a bit vauge, but i am trying to learn this system, and can't get my head around it, i know it has to be simple but....

edit:
Any tagging help would be great.... and comparisons of the 3 mods, a list of tags would probably be the best thing, like this for example

For LCD2
"Mass" List current Ship mass
"Cargo" lists current cargo with a graphic
"Time" Lists current time

etc...

edit 2
Learned a new on from the LCD2
echo
DateTime dddd
DateTime dd MMMM yyyy
echo

Would like to center the time, but when i use:
echo
Center Time
echo
it does not show the time, just the word time, centered.....
What to do?

[Bahamut]

If you haven't looked through them yet, here are the guides for both TIM and AutoLCD:

TIM Guide

Masters AutoLCD Guide

I can load up some world's later and post them after I get home from work if you need more help.

[Mr_Crazy_Manno]

The problem you have with not being able to keep stone out of the refinery.
What i have found with TIM, is that it seems to read the instruction in the name left to right (surprise), and then do them in that same order they are written down in.
So for you refinery instead of [TIM Stone:0 Uranium:100 ice:0 Auto]
Do [TIM Auto Stone:0 Uranium:100 ice:0].
By putting Auto first, it will execute that command first, then after that it will read that you dont want it to take stone, so now it will execute that command, wich will overwrite the Auto command.
So if you want to overwrite a command like components and just have 1 steelplate, do [Tim Component Steelplate:1]

Hope you undertood this.

[ratheden]

I am seeing impaired, so any help is great, SO, THANKS!!!! So reading these guides is quite a chore. So thanks again.

Yes a world would be great for Tim's, and maybe an expansion on MMasters world, found that and loved it, but so many questions about it.
For example, on the damage screen in MMasters world what is the middle numbers for? I get the end ones are percent's…

Thanks for the Tim Help, gonna start a new world and add Tim's and AutoLCD2 to it, think I will skip isys for now, but man I love isy's stuff



Edit:

For reference I think I need the most help with Tim's like maybe quotas and stuff,
example, want a refinery to not do ice or stone, but do uranium FIRST up to like 100ingots Then do other ores up to 50 ingots, just as an example...

Also, as I read through the tim guide for the x'th time, I find it lacking in examples and good detail, lots to say, but not usable by me at least...or a serious failure in understanding on my part

[Dragon Crisis Core]

I do not know if you saw this but someone has improved on TIM and compiled it to be alot smaller kb wise. It runs alot smoother then the origional tim (which has not been updated in a while) https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1268188438

[ratheden]

is Isy's Or Tim's better?


Also looking into the updated TIM

[dga8705]

Isy is supposed to be more hands off than TIM. While both work well, it depends on what you want to do. If you want to micromanage everything, and are building with TIM in mind(i.e. labeling as you go) then TIM works very well. If you want to just set something up that will handle cargo and all, with very little effort from you, ISY works well, but it doesn't let you do some of the specific things that TIM does, like having some assemblers set to disassemble and some to assemble at the same time. ISY just tries to do everything for you, and doesn't really like you interrupting her.

[ratheden]

sounds like the updated TIM is the way to go, Do you know how to force it to do what I want?
to make uranium FITST if below 100 ingots, and then auto the rest? when I put uranium:100 in the title, it does it when I gets around to it, not right off....

[Bahamut]

Both TIM's and ISY's auto refine option try to refine what is needed before anything else. For TIM, this is determined by the quotas that are set.

So for example, if you have 2 reactors that have the tag [TIM Uranium:50:p1] (this sets the reactors to have a priority of 2 when requesting uranium and will only stick up to 50 ingots), TIM sees this as a quota of 100 uranium ingots. TIM will then refine uranium until the amount of uranium is 100 or the percentage of the quota is greater than another ore.

TIM tries to refine ores in such a way that the percentage of the quota (the amounts requested by various cargo containers, reactors, assemblers and such) are all equal to each other unless you don't have a particular ore.. It will do a similar thing with components if you set it up for that.

And I will see what I can do about getting a world set up in a day or so and will link here unless someone beats me to it.

[ratheden]

thanks a bunch, with my failure in understanding as well as being seeing impaired this setting up of Tim has been hard, and I have not even got to quotas that I know of....

So thanks again, this is super helpful. if I understood you rightly, and I add this to my tag it should look something like this:

[TIM Uranium:50:p1 Stone:0 ice:0]...

except the ice part never seems to work, as i have tried to use it to limit the ice in an O2 gen, and it never works. (more details if you know about ice and tim's not working/or what i am doing wrong)

So by inferance i could do this:

[TIM Auto Uranium:50:p1 Silver:30:P2 Gold:20:P3]

So when those 3 in decending order are done, it would goto automatic mode yes?

[Bahamut]

Originally posted by ratheden:

So by inferance i could do this:

[TIM Auto Uranium:50:p1 Silver:30:P2 Gold:20:P3]

So when those 3 in decending order are done, it would goto automatic mode yes?

TIM does not refine something in regards to priorty. Priorty is for TIM to know what you want to fill first. So with your tag, TIM will make sure that the refinery that tag is on will always have a maximum of 50 units of uranium ore, regardless of any other fill order unless they are also at a priority of 1 (p1). It will then make sure that after all priority 1 orders for silver ore are filled, that refinery will get up to 30 units of silver ore, or a balance based on percentage up to the 30 units if there are other cargo containers or refineries with a fill order for silver ore of priority 2. and so forth for gold.

So TIM will not be able to use this refinery for automatically refining ores until all of the gold, silver, and uranium ore is either refined, or contained in higher priority cargo areas.

The best way that I know of to make sure TIM is refining what you want, is to either NOT have the refineries on Auto, or to set up other refineries to take only those ores. This option does require a little bit of player input, but depending on what you need, can be used just fine.

One thing that might be helpful, is if you have the space, to have one refinery set to Auto, One to somethign like [TIM Uranium:1000:p1] and a third to something like [TIM Ore:3000:P2 Stone:0:P2] (This last tag should keep stone out of this refinery) Admitteldy, this last one still requires player input as the refinery will just be kept at having 3000 of each ore in it's queue so you still have to manualy switch what ore is being refined.

As far as O2 gens go, their inventories are locked or hidden by default unless they have a TIM tag. Depending on how much ice you want in them, [TIM Ice:5000:P1] should keep the generator filled to 5k ice, ore split evenly between cargos of same priority based on quota percentage if there isn't enough ice to fill all the orders.

I know you said earlier that you are having some issues understanding TIM's quota system. Anytime you put a tag that has a number in it, like [TIM Ice:5000:P1], that sets up a quota for TIM to fill. TIM has default quotas if you never use anything like [TIM Ice:P1]. This is set for an unlimited amount of ice. TIM will fill this will all the ice available until there is no more space for the ice to go.

TIM will add up all the limited number requests and this will be the quota for that particular item. This can then be displayed using an LCD panel. I have a couple set up in an example world that I hope helps. This world also contains some examples of MMaster's Auto LCD script as well as WHIP's Airlock and Auto Door Close Script.

Script Example World

Hopefully this world helps you out. Let me know if you need more help and I will try my best.

[ratheden]

How about isy's? can I make it run with no stone in the refinery's? Tim on auto for some reason is glitchy on my computer

[ratheden]

ah, nm isys lets stone right through.... And Tim's with just this tag: [TIM Stone:0 ice:0] keeps empty'n the refinerys with that tag. and auto put 1 sec of ore in, and then emptys, repeat...


I am using the stone crusher mod along with the industrial centrifuge.
the first needs only stone, the 2nd needs only gravel, so the stone crusher makes gravel, thus i don't need the refinerys to make it, latter when my eyes have rested quite abit i will look at the world you were kind enough to add.

Till then, will fight my eyes and tim's


EDIT:
AH just saw that I running isys and tim's may be one of my issues
turned off isy's and refinerys are back to working l

[Bahamut]

TIM tries to learn how long it takes for ore to riding in your refineries that are set to auto so that it can set up seemless transissions between ore. This can take several executions of TIM to get down per ore.

[ratheden]

Questions:

Lets say I have a good size ship, and want to sort with tim's and automate

These tags do not seem to do as i expect

On a Cargo Container [TIM Ore/Uranium] I expect it to fill with only Uranium, but it fills with what it pleases. On a smaller container, if there is enough, it actually fills full with the ore you want.

How can i automate Arc Fuel production?
On the miner i have 3 small refineries, 1 small assembler. to make the fuel i need Uranium and Mag.
Now based on what has been said, i thought this tag would help in the refine:
[TIM Ore:0 Uranium:5k] and [TIM Ore:0 Magnesium:5k]
but i am clueless what to set the assembler to... a guess that did not work was [TIM Arc Fuel:100]

tis late and i may not have said this well...

[Bahamut]

In regards to your first question, that tag should do what you say - fill that cargo container with nothing but Uranium Ore. Since it is filling with other stuff, the only thing I can think of is that there is no where else for TIM to put whatever he is putting in that container.


As to your second question, TIM doesn't really like automating modded stuff. The easiest way you will have for this would be to name that assembler something like

Arc Fuel Production [TIM Ingot:0 Uranium:5k Magnesium:5k]

and just set that assembler to produce a ton of arc fuel manually. As long as you don't put "Auto" in the tag for the assembler, TIM will not mess with the assembler's production queue. The reason for the name is so you can easily tell what that assembler is supposed to be making.


To potentailly get TIM to automate making arc fuel, you would need

[TIM AUTO:(What TIM says is the tag for Arc Fuel here)]

The easiest way to find what TIM sees as the item tag for Arc Fuel is to use TIM's INVEN LCD panels.