ZPM - stargate mod

[Sophus10005]

I want to build a ZPM-HUB for my ship, but it requires a ZPM and I do not know where to assemble it. Can someone help me plz??

[ShadedMJ]

Simple answer. You can't. You are supposed to find it.
Its the 4th question in the FAQ.
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/754173702/350540973990913567/

[Sophus10005]

Oh thanks, but if the stargate mod was added after the generation of the world, will that stargate ships spawn?

Originally posted by ShadedMJ:

Simple answer. You can't. You are supposed to find it.
Its the 4th question in the FAQ.
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/754173702/350540973990913567/

[ShadedMJ]

I don't have this mod. Every mod that has ships has them spawning in from time to time, this should be no different.

[Tryst49]

In the Stargate series, they never found out how to manufacture, or even recharge, the ZPM. The only ones they had were the ones they found with whatever charge they had when they found them.

[Sophus10005]

Originally posted by Tryst49:

In the Stargate series, they never found out how to manufacture, or even recharge, the ZPM. The only ones they had were the ones they found with whatever charge they had when they found them.

Actually, in Stargate Atlantis during one of the episodes of the first season they use the rays of a big storm to activate the shields of the city, so in theory ZPM also work like a rechargeable battery

[Sophus10005]

Originally posted by ShadedMJ:

I don't have this mod. Every mod that has ships has them spawning in from time to time, this should be no different.

Thank you very much, you have helped me a lot.

[Prometheus_Unbound]

Originally posted by Sophus10005:

Originally posted by Tryst49:

In the Stargate series, they never found out how to manufacture, or even recharge, the ZPM. The only ones they had were the ones they found with whatever charge they had when they found them.

Actually, in Stargate Atlantis during one of the episodes of the first season they use the rays of a big storm to activate the shields of the city, so in theory ZPM also work like a rechargeable battery

Could have been a fluke. If the ZPM had just enough Zero Point Energy in it perhaps it just needed a little something to get it going again. Ever have a battery that seems to be out of power but you take it out and put it back again, voilla! Working battery?
Just a thought.

But from a game balance perspective, making ZPM's would be a bit OP. They are pretty powerful. So having them as a scarce resource would be better.

[Tryst49]

Originally posted by Prometheus_Unbound:

Originally posted by Sophus10005:

Actually, in Stargate Atlantis during one of the episodes of the first season they use the rays of a big storm to activate the shields of the city, so in theory ZPM also work like a rechargeable battery

Could have been a fluke. If the ZPM had just enough Zero Point Energy in it perhaps it just needed a little something to get it going again. Ever have a battery that seems to be out of power but you take it out and put it back again, voilla! Working battery?
Just a thought.

From what I understand, the ZPM used energy derived from a manufactured micro black hole. It derived the energy from the "unstoppable force" (the black hole) trying to draw matter from an "unmovable object" which was the totally indestructible casing of the ZPM. Since we don't have the tech to (safely) manufacture either of these things or any way to determine how the energy was being harvested, a ZPM remained a total mystery. It does explain how a ZPM, that was thousands of years old, could still hold power.

I would presume that harvesting the energy ultimately destroys the black hole which is why they don't last forever. "Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be converted to another form", therefore, if you harvest all the energy from something, you will ultimately destroy it.

If I recall, the storm provided enough energy to keep the shields up only for a very short time. Therefore, it didn't really boost the ZPM, it merely complimented it in the same way the electric motor compliments the petrol engine in a hybrid car.

[Sophus10005]

Originally posted by Tryst49:

Originally posted by Prometheus_Unbound:

Could have been a fluke. If the ZPM had just enough Zero Point Energy in it perhaps it just needed a little something to get it going again. Ever have a battery that seems to be out of power but you take it out and put it back again, voilla! Working battery?
Just a thought.

From what I understand, the ZPM used energy derived from a manufactured micro black hole. It derived the energy from the "unstoppable force" (the black hole) trying to draw matter from an "unmovable object" which was the totally indestructible casing of the ZPM. Since we don't have the tech to (safely) manufacture either of these things or any way to determine how the energy was being harvested, a ZPM remained a total mystery. It does explain how a ZPM, that was thousands of years old, could still hold power.

I would presume that harvesting the energy ultimately destroys the black hole which is why they don't last forever. "Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be converted to another form", therefore, if you harvest all the energy from something, you will ultimately destroy it.

If I recall, the storm provided enough energy to keep the shields up only for a very short time. Therefore, it didn't really boost the ZPM, it merely complimented it in the same way the electric motor compliments the petrol engine in a hybrid car.

Originally posted by Tryst49:

Originally posted by Prometheus_Unbound:

Could have been a fluke. If the ZPM had just enough Zero Point Energy in it perhaps it just needed a little something to get it going again. Ever have a battery that seems to be out of power but you take it out and put it back again, voilla! Working battery?
Just a thought.

From what I understand, the ZPM used energy derived from a manufactured micro black hole. It derived the energy from the "unstoppable force" (the black hole) trying to draw matter from an "unmovable object" which was the totally indestructible casing of the ZPM. Since we don't have the tech to (safely) manufacture either of these things or any way to determine how the energy was being harvested, a ZPM remained a total mystery. It does explain how a ZPM, that was thousands of years old, could still hold power.

I would presume that harvesting the energy ultimately destroys the black hole which is why they don't last forever. "Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be converted to another form", therefore, if you harvest all the energy from something, you will ultimately destroy it.

If I recall, the storm provided enough energy to keep the shields up only for a very short time. Therefore, it didn't really boost the ZPM, it merely complimented it in the same way the electric motor compliments the petrol engine in a hybrid car.

Wo wo wo wait, during the 2nd season of Stargate Atlantis it is commented that the ZPM extracts energy from the vacuum of a created microuniverse, until the entropy of this universe reaches the critical point, causing the ZPM to stop working. Also, if energy is added to this mini universe, its entropy could decrease and at the same time recharging the ZPM.

Even so, the idea of ​​the mini black hole is fascinating and very interesting for the generation of energy. I like it!

[Tryst49]

Ok, micro universe instead of black hole, it's been a long time since I watched the series, but the concept is the same. Draining it's energy destroys it and stops the ZPM working. However, a recharge would require the same type of energy. Heat and electricity are two differnt types of energy and no matter how much you try, a hairdryer won't recharge a car battery.

Thinking about it, the black hole suspended in the centre with the casing just touching the event horizon would theoretically create almost unlimited amounts of power. The problem is, I wouldn't want to be around when someone creates a black hole to test that theory. One mistake and our entire solar system will be wiped out.

[Sophus10005]

Originally posted by Tryst49:

Ok, micro universe instead of black hole, it's been a long time since I watched the series, but the concept is the same. Draining it's energy destroys it and stops the ZPM working. However, a recharge would require the same type of energy. Heat and electricity are two differnt types of energy and no matter how much you try, a hairdryer won't recharge a car battery.

Thinking about it, the black hole suspended in the centre with the casing just touching the event horizon would theoretically create almost unlimited amounts of power. The problem is, I wouldn't want to be around when someone creates a black hole to test that theory. One mistake and our entire solar system will be wiped out.

About that, how would you get energy from the event horizon just by touching the black hole? And also, would it work equally with a mini wormhole, since they have practically the same properties in terms of gravity and nature? If so, in theory you could have two unlimited energy sources with which you could send information through this link and instantly.

[Prometheus_Unbound]

Originally posted by Tryst49:

If I recall, the storm provided enough energy to keep the shields up only for a very short time. Therefore, it didn't really boost the ZPM, it merely complimented it in the same way the electric motor compliments the petrol engine in a hybrid car.

Good point! i Had forgotten about that. In which case "fluke" it created just enough energy within the singularity/universe/whatever it is to allow the drainage of some of the last bits of energy. Or it simply restarted the mechanism that allows for energy to be derived from whatever it is. Kind of like jump-starting a car.
At the end of the day, all we can do is hypothesise.

Originally posted by Sophus10005:

Originally posted by Tryst49:

Ok, micro universe instead of black hole, it's been a long time since I watched the series, but the concept is the same. Draining it's energy destroys it and stops the ZPM working. However, a recharge would require the same type of energy. Heat and electricity are two differnt types of energy and no matter how much you try, a hairdryer won't recharge a car battery.

Thinking about it, the black hole suspended in the centre with the casing just touching the event horizon would theoretically create almost unlimited amounts of power. The problem is, I wouldn't want to be around when someone creates a black hole to test that theory. One mistake and our entire solar system will be wiped out.

About that, how would you get energy from the event horizon just by touching the black hole? And also, would it work equally with a mini wormhole, since they have practically the same properties in terms of gravity and nature? If so, in theory you could have two unlimited energy sources with which you could send information through this link and instantly.

Could be that there is more to the tech than just that. It would probably require contact with something that harvests the energy making it safe to use. Simply touching the casing would not generate power. At least not in any safe manner.
If i remember correctly, wormholes work on some of the same principles as black holes. difference is that a wormhole is and entrance to two points in spacetime. They are very powerful. The only issue i see is that a wormhole that is having its energy harvested would tend to collapse much quicker than black holes as they are usually unstable unlike a black hole. In short, they can but Its less efficient.
Now i think about it, energy added to a black hole (such as a lightning strike) may feed it. Black holes rely on streams of various matter and energy being sucked into them to grow, if there was a black hole in a ZPM the lightning strike would make a lot of sense.
Edit: It may also make sense in the case of a universe too.

[Tryst49]

Originally posted by Sophus10005:

About that, how would you get energy from the event horizon just by touching the black hole? And also, would it work equally with a mini wormhole, since they have practically the same properties in terms of gravity and nature? If so, in theory you could have two unlimited energy sources with which you could send information through this link and instantly.

It's a theory and probably one that will never be tested for obvious reasons. Imagine an object under intense pressure to disintigrate into atomic particles but unable to. The atoms would be extremely agitated and close to critical mass. The event horizon of a black hole creates this situation, the forces acting upon an object on the event horizon are attempting to pull it apart into it's constituent atoms and the object teeters on the precipice, unable to escape but also not quite at the point of disintigrating.

Just as nuclear energy uses materials close to critical mass to generate power, so to would the event horizon of a black hole. The difference being that a black hole doesn't require the material to be radioactive so there's no radiation involved.

The drawback of course is that playing with a singularity has it's own dangers that far outweigh mere radiation. trying to build something that could contain a singularity would make a nuclear reactor a simple childs toy.

[Smokey]

While you can't build a ZPM module you can build a naquadria generator, mine the relevant materials to build and power it so that is an alternative for the gates.

From what I remember you dont need the mod loaded before world creation but it could be beneficial.

Dont leave a gate open when the world saves or you could end up having to load up a save game from before that attempted save.

As I've not ventured into space on that particular world as of yet I would believe the ZPM module would spawn in the cargo ships as described.

[Sophus10005]

Originally posted by Tryst49:

Originally posted by Sophus10005:

About that, how would you get energy from the event horizon just by touching the black hole? And also, would it work equally with a mini wormhole, since they have practically the same properties in terms of gravity and nature? If so, in theory you could have two unlimited energy sources with which you could send information through this link and instantly.

It's a theory and probably one that will never be tested for obvious reasons. Imagine an object under intense pressure to disintigrate into atomic particles but unable to. The atoms would be extremely agitated and close to critical mass. The event horizon of a black hole creates this situation, the forces acting upon an object on the event horizon are attempting to pull it apart into it's constituent atoms and the object teeters on the precipice, unable to escape but also not quite at the point of disintigrating.

Just as nuclear energy uses materials close to critical mass to generate power, so to would the event horizon of a black hole. The difference being that a black hole doesn't require the material to be radioactive so there's no radiation involved.

The drawback of course is that playing with a singularity has it's own dangers that far outweigh mere radiation. trying to build something that could contain a singularity would make a nuclear reactor a simple childs toy.

And would there be a difference in how much energy is produced depending on the density of the object? Something like if the object has more mass more energy produces, and if it has less mass less energy produces ??