I CANT ESCAPE THIS EARTH LIKE PLANETS ATMOSPHERE! HELP!

[Грач]

I've done literally everything in my power to escape the atmosphere and go to space, I have a oxy generator, filled with 19k ice, a small hydro tank, a large hydro foward thruster, plus 3 extra little ones for front, and then 3 more for each cardinal direction, my ship is 60 tons and I have a large reactor plus an extra 6 small reactors filled with 5 uranium each, this is my ship design:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1263164814

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG? I can get to 7k meters then I slow down and plummet back to earth

[casualsailor]

Atmospheric thrusters are only effective inside the atmosphere of planets and moons. When you get to the edge of the atmosphere they will produce less thrust until they ultimately produce zero thrust when completely outside the atmosphere.

You should use a combination of thrusters. Atmospheric as long as they are effective then hydrogen thruster to get outside the gravity well of the planet and finally ion thrusters in zero G.

It is possible to do this all with Hydrogen thrusters but this is not very efficient.

Examine the wiki for details

http://spaceengineerswiki.com/Thruster

Here is a tutorial that explains in detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMtWSSMdO7w

[Bahamut]

Are your hydro thrusters on and/or conveyored to the hydro tank/oxygen generator? Cause in that picture, it looks like your hydro thrusters are off and I can't tell if it is due to your ship being off.

If they are off/not connected to either the tank or the generator, that would explain why you fall back at around 7k meters. That is where atmosphere thruster more or less go to 0% thrust on the earth like.

One thing that might help if they are plumbed and working:
Turn them off until you get to around 6k meters and then use thrust overide to keep you just barely accelerating to max speed.

This will let you save hydrogen while your atmosphere thrusters still work and save hydro as you continue out of the atmosphere.

[casualsailor]

@Bahamut Good catch. I did not notice the hydrogen thruster. True he may not be providing sufficent fuel to that thruster.

OP, you may also not be producing enough thrust with that single hydrogen thuster to escape the planet's gravity. See that wiki page I provided. All the information is there for you to calculate your thrust requirements. Remember that 9.8m/s accelleration is the minimum to hover at sea level.

[Грач]

Originally posted by casualsailor:

Atmospheric thrusters are only effective inside the atmosphere of planets and moons. When you get to the edge of the atmosphere they will produce less thrust until they ultimately produce zero thrust when completely outside the atmosphere.

You should use a combination of thrusters. Atmospheric as long as they are effective then hydrogen thruster to get outside the gravity well of the planet and finally ion thrusters in zero G.

It is possible to do this all with Hydrogen thrusters but this is not very efficient.

Examine the wiki for details

http://spaceengineerswiki.com/Thruster

Here is a tutorial that explains in detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMtWSSMdO7w

I'am aware that atmospheric won't get me any higher than 7k, but my issue is my hydrogen thrusters are not doing the job at all, almost nonexistant, I tried hovering all the way up, I tried then hovering with atmos, then pointing my nose up while my large hydrogen thruster "attempts" to climb, but it Doesn't, my ship just falls, I tried everything

[Грач]

Originally posted by casualsailor:

@Bahamut Good catch. I did not notice the hydrogen thruster. True he may not be providing sufficent fuel to that thruster.

OP, you may also not be producing enough thrust with that single hydrogen thuster to escape the planet's gravity. See that wiki page I provided. All the information is there for you to calculate your thrust requirements. Remember that 9.8m/s accelleration is the minimum to hover at sea level.

I have 19k ice in the oxygen generator, and the hydro tank stays at a constant 100%, I have no idea what my problem is :(

[Грач]

My ship is 67257kg, maybe it's the weight?

[Tiberius Lacedaemon]

Actually...

It IS efficient to get out of a planet's gravity with only hydrogen thrusters. An experienced player would know that you can override Up thrusters, turn off the rest, and lower the override setting as you get higher, in order to save hydrogen. It is literally the easiest thing in the world. I've done this plenty of times, including with heavy ships, and never went past 60%.

Ugandan, everything Bahamut said should work.

If not, your ship may be too heavy, meaning you don't have enough hydrogen thrusters to push you up, which means you must retrofit! ^_~

[Грач]

Originally posted by Tiberius Lacedaemon:

Actually...

It IS efficient to get out of a planet's gravity with only hydrogen thrusters. An experienced player would know that you can override Up thrusters, turn off the rest, and lower the override setting as you get higher, in order to save hydrogen. It is literally the easiest thing in the world. I've done this plenty of times, including with heavy ships, and never went past 60%.

Ugandan, everything Bahamut said should work.

If not, your ship may be too heavy, meaning you don't have enough hydrogen thrusters to push you up, which means you must retrofit! ^_~

I just added another large small ship hydro thruster, still can't break 7.3k meters

[Грач]

Here, I posted it, please help me find out why the hell it won't break earths atmosphere

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1264169331

[Oceandragon]

so looking at your oreintation your large hydro is not providing thrust to lift you. Has to be pointed down, start there. That large should be handle it. you have alot of atmos on that ship, for? you'll need directional thrust once in space, go with small hydros on sides to provide directional movement, once your in space those atmos are useless unless you intend to return to planet. Once you access plat, you could then go the ion/hydro. Just remember there is a curve with atmos thrusters and altitude. Hydros are pretty powerful, but cost fuel of course. Because your large hydro is providing forward thrust, your hydro tank doesnt go down becuase its not expending fuel to lift you up. if you dont want to redesign that much as soon as your atmos start to losing power point your nose vertical and press forward to engage your large hydro in the rear. Hope that helps.

[Oneill_SFA]

You need to try a gentler climb. You're trying to carry too much with too little thrust. A shallower AoA will provide you constant speed and you'll be able to slowly climb out of atmo. Watch your fuel.

Otherwise you'll need to lighten the load.

[Грач]

Originally posted by Oceandragon:

so looking at your oreintation your large hydro is not providing thrust to lift you. Has to be pointed down, start there. That large should be handle it. you have alot of atmos on that ship, for? you'll need directional thrust once in space, go with small hydros on sides to provide directional movement, once your in space those atmos are useless unless you intend to return to planet. Once you access plat, you could then go the ion/hydro. Just remember there is a curve with atmos thrusters and altitude. Hydros are pretty powerful, but cost fuel of course. Because your large hydro is providing forward thrust, your hydro tank doesnt go down becuase its not expending fuel to lift you up. if you dont want to redesign that much as soon as your atmos start to losing power point your nose vertical and press forward to engage your large hydro in the rear. Hope that helps.

If I put a large foward thruster on the top of the ship, will that suffice?

[Oneill_SFA]

Also, you'll lose control once you get to space. You need hydrogen thrusters in all directions too just like your atmos.

[Грач]

Originally posted by Oneill_420:

Also, you'll lose control once you get to space. You need hydrogen thrusters in all directions too just like your atmos.

I have small hydro thrusters in each cardinal direction, my problem is just escaping the atmosphere, it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ impossible

[Грач]

I literally have 3 large foward thrusters and I still can't break the atmosphere