Thrusters not working on new ship...

[pitbull14218]

I have a large reactor, a hyper drive, a couple gyro's, landing gear and a cockpit, along with all my thrusters up and down left right forward and back. All ION thrusters, and I added atmospheric because the Ions didn't work, so I thought it was because i'm on a earth like planet or something. So nothing works, I added batteries too, the power is on, I see the thrusters all at idle but they don't work with WASD keys

[krzosu18]

well in planetary atmosphere close to ground ION's wont give ant thrust at all (thery wont provide thrust below +/- 10km attitude (the same goes for atmo thrusters above certain height). So basically IONs not giving thrust on the surface is quite normal. That said atmos should works assuming there are certain conditions

- check the cockpit to see it its set as main cockpit and it can control thruster (see if app tick is checked).
- Thrusters wont work if your ship is clamped via connector to say a station -> unlock the conenctors and try again,
- If the ship you are making is a ship made from LARGE blocks check info tab to see if its actually a ship or its a STATION -> if its a station there is a button to convert it into a ship. Stations wond fire thrusters (since they are immobile when attached to solid ground),
- thrusters wont fire if there is NO power -> so if its survival check the reaactors if they are ON and have fuel.
If its a battery powered ship check if the reacharge aint swtiched on -> if it is the batts wont provide power so if its checked -> uncheck it.

- also check the thrusters themselves -> maybe they are switched off -> check each one to see if its ON.

i guess thats about all i can think of - i hope this helps.

[pitbull14218]

So non of the thrusters were working, and I found the info panel and converted my blocks to a ship.

Now most of my thrusters work except the ones on the bottom pointing down, that are used to lift off the ground

[pitbull14218]

Originally posted by krzosu18:

well in planetary atmosphere close to ground ION's wont give ant thrust at all (thery wont provide thrust below +/- 10km attitude (the same goes for atmo thrusters above certain height). So basically IONs not giving thrust on the surface is quite normal. That said atmos should works assuming there are certain conditions

- check the cockpit to see it its set as main cockpit and it can control thruster (see if app tick is checked).
- Thrusters wont work if your ship is clamped via connector to say a station -> unlock the conenctors and try again,
- If the ship you are making is a ship made from LARGE blocks check info tab to see if its actually a ship or its a STATION -> if its a station there is a button to convert it into a ship. Stations wond fire thrusters (since they are immobile when attached to solid ground),
- thrusters wont fire if there is NO power -> so if its survival check the reaactors if they are ON and have fuel.
If its a battery powered ship check if the reacharge aint swtiched on -> if it is the batts wont provide power so if its checked -> uncheck it.

i guess thats about all i can think of - i hope this helps.

Thanks for the reply. Originally non of my thrusters did anything but idled when pushing the WASD keys, then I converted it to a ship, and now I at least see the thrusters are reacting to my keyboard input, other than the ones for taking off the ground (pointing down). I have both ION and atmospheric all over the ship.

It will move forward while being on the ground, but it won't take off from the ground holding the space bar. The thrusters pointed down are not responding.

[krzosu18]

This might indicate there is not enough thrusters pointing down -> aka the ship is way to heavy to lift -> try attaching more thrusters.

also you might for eg disable all other thrusters (turn them off) and only leave the ones facing UP online -> then get into the cockpit and press space -> and watch power usage indicator -> if it jumps it means the thrusters are working okay but the ship is way to heavy to lift

or if the power usage goes to overload it might indicate that there are enough thrusters on it but there is not enough power for them to actually make enought thrust -> build more reactors or batteries in that case

[pitbull14218]

Idk, I'm thinking this ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game sucks ♥♥♥♥! Now the entire ship destroyed itself

[pitbull14218]

Just made another ship real quick, with atmospheric thrusters and when I converted it to a ship it did a barrel roll and blew up.. wtf is with this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game. Did I make a mistake buying it, or is this how it plays? I have no mods, because I don't generally like dealing with more headaches.

[Loegrath]

Originally posted by pitbull14218:

Just made another ship real quick, with atmospheric thrusters and when I converted it to a ship it did a barrel roll and blew up.. wtf is with this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game. Did I make a mistake buying it, or is this how it plays? I have no mods, because I don't generally like dealing with more headaches.

Frankly it just sounds like you aren't putting enough thrust on all sides of your ship. The barrel roll could be because of the lack of thrusters you had on the side. If attempted to just get out of the atmosphere of the planet, hydrogen thrusters are probably the way to go, albeit the greater functioning requirements. Ion thrusters are more used for space, not planets, atmospheric thrusters used solely for planets, and hydrogen thrusters function well everywhere, but are balanced by their need for a steady supply of hydrogen fuel.

I would suggest checking the mass and thrust provided to your ship using the information provided on the Wiki [www.spaceengineerswiki.com].

[pitbull14218]

Originally posted by Loegrath:

Originally posted by pitbull14218:

Just made another ship real quick, with atmospheric thrusters and when I converted it to a ship it did a barrel roll and blew up.. wtf is with this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game. Did I make a mistake buying it, or is this how it plays? I have no mods, because I don't generally like dealing with more headaches.

Frankly it just sounds like you aren't putting enough thrust on all sides of your ship. The barrel roll could be because of the lack of thrusters you had on the side. If attempted to just get out of the atmosphere of the planet, hydrogen thrusters are probably the way to go, albeit the greater functioning requirements. Ion thrusters are more used for space, not planets, atmospheric thrusters used solely for planets, and hydrogen thrusters function well everywhere, but are balanced by their need for a steady supply of hydrogen fuel.

I would suggest checking the mass and thrust provided to your ship using the information provided on the Wiki [www.spaceengineerswiki.com].

I was on a earth like planet with 1.0gravity.

It took many ion thrusters to finally escape the atmosphere in a small ship I built just to escape the planet.

It's annoying building ships on land, can't line up the landing gear evenly.

I need to figure out how to use the hydrogen thrusters.

I'd like to build a ship to travel from planet to planet and not crash land..

[Loegrath]

Originally posted by pitbull14218:

Originally posted by Loegrath:

Frankly it just sounds like you aren't putting enough thrust on all sides of your ship. The barrel roll could be because of the lack of thrusters you had on the side. If attempted to just get out of the atmosphere of the planet, hydrogen thrusters are probably the way to go, albeit the greater functioning requirements. Ion thrusters are more used for space, not planets, atmospheric thrusters used solely for planets, and hydrogen thrusters function well everywhere, but are balanced by their need for a steady supply of hydrogen fuel.

I would suggest checking the mass and thrust provided to your ship using the information provided on the Wiki [www.spaceengineerswiki.com].

I was on a earth like planet with 1.0gravity.

It took many ion thrusters to finally escape the atmosphere in a small ship I built just to escape the planet.

It's annoying building ships on land, can't line up the landing gear evenly.

I need to figure out how to use the hydrogen thrusters.

I'd like to build a ship to travel from planet to planet and not crash land..

Hydrogen thrusters need a conveyor connection to a hydrogen tank or oxygen generator that's producing hydrogen. Can be a small or large conveyor connection, but has to eventually lead to the hydrogen tank.

If you didn't know, hydrogen requires ice to put into oxygen generators to generate hydrogen, which can then be used directly or through the storage of the hydrogen tanks.

[krzosu18]

also dont build a station(ship on the ground) cuz when its immersed into ground even partially then when you convert it from station to ship it might slightly bounce (aka trying to clear itself from that immersion) always build a ship on a existing platform made from blocks or at least 1-2 full blocks above the ground otherwise stuff might happen,...

as for leaving atmo well usually you will need at least 2 types of engines -> atmos + hydrogen. or set of all 3

basiacally atmos will work to say 8-10 km above the planet
ions will give decent thrust at about 15km above

so the difference between 8-10 you will have to make through on hydrogens - assuming you wish to depart a planet in any decent time table.

ofc you can fly also on pure hydrogens but that will need one hell of a tank capacity so its not very advisable (but possible) so to the very least its always best to have some upward atmos to hold your ship in order to avoid crashlanding if you run out of hydro.

[pitbull14218]

Originally posted by Loegrath:

Originally posted by pitbull14218:

I was on a earth like planet with 1.0gravity.

It took many ion thrusters to finally escape the atmosphere in a small ship I built just to escape the planet.

It's annoying building ships on land, can't line up the landing gear evenly.

I need to figure out how to use the hydrogen thrusters.

I'd like to build a ship to travel from planet to planet and not crash land..

Hydrogen thrusters need a conveyor connection to a hydrogen tank or oxygen generator that's producing hydrogen. Can be a small or large conveyor connection, but has to eventually lead to the hydrogen tank.

If you didn't know, hydrogen requires ice to put into oxygen generators to generate hydrogen, which can then be used directly or through the storage of the hydrogen tanks.

Im building a large ship in space, I have the hydrogen tank mounted, but not sure how i connect it to and what to connect it to for the hydrogen thrusters to work.

[krzosu18]

Originally posted by pitbull14218:

Originally posted by Loegrath:

Hydrogen thrusters need a conveyor connection to a hydrogen tank or oxygen generator that's producing hydrogen. Can be a small or large conveyor connection, but has to eventually lead to the hydrogen tank.

If you didn't know, hydrogen requires ice to put into oxygen generators to generate hydrogen, which can then be used directly or through the storage of the hydrogen tanks.

Im building a large ship in space, I have the hydrogen tank mounted, but not sure how i connect it to and what to connect it to for the hydrogen thrusters to work.

basiaclly make a tank -> then link the tank with conveyors and then link those conveyors to thrusters

think of hydrogen as a components (fuel) being transported via conveyors to thrusters. also make oxygen geneartor and link it to the conv network because its meant to produce hydrogen from ice and fill the tank -> aka if tank is empty the thrusters wont fire.

[pitbull14218]

Originally posted by krzosu18:

Originally posted by pitbull14218:

Im building a large ship in space, I have the hydrogen tank mounted, but not sure how i connect it to and what to connect it to for the hydrogen thrusters to work.

basiaclly make a tank -> then link the tank with conveyors and then link those conveyors to thrusters

think of hydrogen as a components (fuel) being transported via conveyors to thrusters. also make oxygen geneartor and link it to the conv network because its meant to produce hydrogen from ice and fill the tank -> aka if tank is empty the thrusters wont fire.

Im still in creative mode, but I did link the trusters to the tank with the conveyers, but its seems kinda silly, I have basically 3 places all across from each other for thrusters?

[pitbull14218]

Originally posted by Loegrath:

Originally posted by pitbull14218:

I was on a earth like planet with 1.0gravity.

It took many ion thrusters to finally escape the atmosphere in a small ship I built just to escape the planet.

It's annoying building ships on land, can't line up the landing gear evenly.

I need to figure out how to use the hydrogen thrusters.

I'd like to build a ship to travel from planet to planet and not crash land..

Hydrogen thrusters need a conveyor connection to a hydrogen tank or oxygen generator that's producing hydrogen. Can be a small or large conveyor connection, but has to eventually lead to the hydrogen tank.

If you didn't know, hydrogen requires ice to put into oxygen generators to generate hydrogen, which can then be used directly or through the storage of the hydrogen tanks.

any way to make turns for the conyer(tubes), it seems stupid to only get 4 options directly across from each other an x pattern for thruster options when using the hydrogen thrusters?

[krzosu18]

Originally posted by pitbull14218:

Originally posted by Loegrath:

Hydrogen thrusters need a conveyor connection to a hydrogen tank or oxygen generator that's producing hydrogen. Can be a small or large conveyor connection, but has to eventually lead to the hydrogen tank.

If you didn't know, hydrogen requires ice to put into oxygen generators to generate hydrogen, which can then be used directly or through the storage of the hydrogen tanks.

any way to make turns for the conyer(tubes), it seems stupid to only get 4 options directly across from each other an x pattern for thruster options when using the hydrogen thrusters?

planning and building a ship with hydro thrusters is usually way harder because you have to plan the conveyor network and placement of the thrusters which usually means a more complicated design -> its more of a challange that way but its also more fun ;)