Mining on Moon Problem with vanilla ships

[Laffyistired]

hi guys using vanilla ships to mine on the moon with iron engines they not working what is going on before when was playing no problem need help please and advice i am in sp the moon is 0.25 gravity

[eMYNOCK]

can you show the affected ship and outfit?

probably your miner is either full, too heavy, has not enough engines or a mixture of all.

[Laffyistired]

its the miner is the easy start platform

[eMYNOCK]

the blue miner i guess?

this ship has indeed not enough thrusters to handle 0.25g.

how ever.. you can add 4-6 more downward thrusters onto it and it should be flyable.

[Laffyistired]

i added 3 each direction still gave me a problem when i was drilling a hole

[eMYNOCK]

sorry about that.. but it really seems that either the drill becomes too heavy or the engines are simply too weak.

you should go into creative mode and fiddle a bit with the moons gravity and what you need to make the ship working how you need it.

i can't really help because i don't know what your preffered game mode, your preferred settings and your game style are.

[Laffyistired]

how was it before they messed up did the moon have 0.25 did the nerf then engines

[eMYNOCK]

nah.. moon always had 0.25g and afaik they changed nothing with the ion thrusters.

tbh.. i never used the blue miner except for asteroid mining.

[CelticChaos]

ion thrusters in gravity are just not the way to go. On a moon the best option is Hydrogen. Atmos, well they require atmosphere and are not an option for a moon but work well on planets with atmosphere.

At about 10 g, ion thrusters become severely impacted from a performance perspective, as you approach 15 g they become almost useless. They may be able to give you a soft moon landing but that is about it. You will not be able to takeoff agalin.

[SpetS]

more power maybe

[Dan2D3D]

40 small + 2 large ion forward thrusters needed on my heavy armor space tank to be able to exit the moon gravity.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1126899475


EDIT

All ion and I've added only 2 upward Hydro thrusters to help on moon.

[Baratheon79]

Originally posted by Silverwing:

ion thrusters in gravity are just not the way to go. ...

Not necessarily true. For a good size miner, you may want hydrogen thrusters, but I recently built a little 2 drill miner that works fine on the moon, even fully loaded at 10x inventory, using only ion thrusters.

[AstridK]

As far as i know ion engines are impacted by atmosphere adn not gravity.
Neverthe less. My small moon ship here has 2 large ion engines onlw pointing down.
I have no problem with a full cargo load and stilla plently of power up.

[Laffyistired]

i did use miner with hydrogen thrusters i had 8k of ice and that went in 5 mins any suggestions or is that normal i was using miner off the work shop

also is there ice on the moon ? as in game only

[CelticChaos]

As suggested you can use ION if you like pasting enormous thrusters on a little miner (just not to my taste), but it can be done, and I stand corrected.

Yes, the burn rate of ice with Hydro is pretty high. I Normally have 100k loaded up before a mining run. There is ice on the moon, but it is concentrated in one area as far as I know. I built my moon base pretty close so getting ice is no big deal.

The moral of my story, do what you want, I find Hydro is my best option to keep the thruster count down and without using large thrusters.

[Baratheon79]

Originally posted by Silverwing:

As suggested you can use ION if you like pasting enormous thrusters on a little miner (just not to my taste), but it can be done, and I stand corrected.

Yes, the burn rate of ice with Hydro is pretty high. I Normally have 100k loaded up before a mining run. There is ice on the moon, but it is concentrated in one area as far as I know. I built my moon base pretty close so getting ice is no big deal.

The moral of my story, do what you want, I find Hydro is my best option to keep the thruster count down and without using large thrusters.

If using a larger mining ship (small or large grid), then yes, hydrogen is probably a good idea. In my survival game, I've got 2 mining ships that work just fine on the moon, which are both currently up on the workshop. The larger of the two has much greater capacity, and requires the extra power of hydrogen thrusters to maneuver on the moon (I often use them in space as well, as I routinely fill the thing to the brim with ore). The smaller one, I designed to fit in the hangar of a specific large ship I built, and the specifications I had to hold myself to did not allow for hydrogen fuel storage (no more than 5 large blocks long, and had to fit through an opening 3 blocks wide and 2 high). That one uses just ion thrusters (including 2 large and a few small pointing downward).

Edit: As an experiment, I loaded up my game in creative mode, pasted in the little KSH miner, and tinkered with it until it could fly on the moon with a load of ore. This was the result (it's not pretty, but it flies, though it can use more reactors)...
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1208469179