So I wondered if you can go to Space or to Earth without a ship

[Scorcher24]

Turns out, you can.
Shouldn't be possible tbh. Suspension of disbelief only goes so far.

[Karmaterrorᵁᴷ]

Can you do it on 1,1,1 survival? I do it in creative but never tried in survival as i thought id run out of hydrogen

[error1440]

In a 10x game you can actually reach the moon from the planet. Slightly immersion breaking, but then again, you need to basically load entirely up with hydrogen and some oxygen bottles to be able to do it, so its not like it really serves any point.

Hell, with a speed mod you can make multiple trips with only a few hydrogen bottles and piece together a base if you really wanted to.

Then again, its entirely optional for you to do so. If you wanna break your own immersion go for it, it's not my game experience getting ruined.

[plaYer2k]

Well there sure are different ways of flying around.

After all it is a game and you could hardly stack as much into cargo boxes as we do in SE, have as efficient thrusters/gyros as we have, dead characters simply respawn after dyingwithout the need to train for years after dying to become a well trained adult human again capable of using the devices we use....

That is the cost you play for playing a game.

Just leaving a planet or landing on it with your character isnt that much of a benefit tho. What you should consider a more interesting challenge is reaching orbit using a heavy ship with as little expenses as possible as that is what yields value in SE.

[Scorcher24]

Originally posted by Karmaterrorᵁᴷ:

Can you do it on 1,1,1 survival? I do it in creative but never tried in survival as i thought id run out of hydrogen

I always play with 10x inventory since I don't see the point of doing 50 runs to the cargo bay to build 1 Reactor :D. But it is merely that you can do it. Yes, I can ignore it, but I wish there was some mechanic that prevented it. Falling to earth shouldn't be possible either. You can actually do that with any inventory since you need no fuel at all (accelerate, turn of dampeners, wait until gravity grabs you) nor lot of Oxygen. So launching is not possible in 1/1/1, but landing surely is, because you don't burn to death on reentry.

[Thalyn]

Terminal velocity of a human isn't fast enough to cause them to burn up in atmosphere even if the game were to simulate it. We're too light and not very aerodynamic. You're looking at about 53m/s, or around 195kmph (that's around 122mph for you archaic types) before you would simply stop accelerating.

Since that's below Mach 1, you wouldn't suffer any ill effects beyond it being windy and high.

[Scorcher24]

The issue is electrically charged Plasma, Thalyn. Velocity isn't even an issue.
https://astroquizzical.com/astroquizzical/what-sort-of-protection-would-a-human-need-to

[Thalyn]

In SE, however, falling towards the planet is generally done falling at the ideal straight down. There's no initial sideways velocity which needs to be overcome, thus not enough friction to create the super-heated plasma, so it isn't a factor in the same way that it isn't a factor in riding a motorbike at the same speeds. The whole ordeal similar to that of Felix Baumgartner’s or Alan Eustace's jumps - just from a higher altitude.

Though I will admit that their peak speeds (377m/s and 367m/s respectively) would have indeed created situations where heat would begin to be an issue. Not plasma-inducing heat, but enough that they would have needed to ensure they didn't maintain those speeds for significant amounts of time.

[Scorcher24]

Originally posted by MinionJoe:

Originally posted by Scorcher24:

The issue is electrically charged Plasma, Thalyn. Velocity isn't even an issue.
https://astroquizzical.com/astroquizzical/what-sort-of-protection-would-a-human-need-to

Good thing Space Engineers isn't very realistic then or that might be a problem!

That is my point though. Now, I am none of those that wants hyper realism and all that, but some basic level of realism here would be nice. Not even talking about reentry angels etc

[Twelve]

game realism is not the same as real word realism. while playing any fps have you ever wondered how you carry so much ammo around with you? everyone is usually so concerned about where to put this ammo where it came from doesnt even register.

in se do you ever wonder what the reactor does with the spent uranium?

[Scorcher24]

Not having to deal with nuclear waste is different than total disregard of physics when the whole game is based on said physics.

[Twelve]

Originally posted by Scorcher24:

Not having to deal with nuclear waste is different than total disregard of physics when the whole game is based on said physics.

the principle is the same. if you catapulted a human in to space with a space suit on theres a good chance they would live, until they hit the ground of corse.
its nothing to do with physics its do with a beleivability of a jetpack being able to get to orbit.

and as karmaterror originally said when you play with realistic setting you can not do this.

[Scorcher24]

Originally posted by Twelve:

and as karmaterror originally said when you play with realistic setting you can not do this.

You can jump to Earth. You don't need to take anything with you from Space to Earth. One burst with the Jetpack is enough. And Oxygen is negligeable.

But my point stands. If it does not bother you, that is okay. I still think it is valid. It also defeats the point of survival to have to make an effort.

[Twelve]

Originally posted by Scorcher24:

Originally posted by Twelve:

and as karmaterror originally said when you play with realistic setting you can not do this.

You can jump to Earth. You don't need to take anything with you from Space to Earth. One burst with the Jetpack is enough. And Oxygen is negligeable.

which you could also do in the real world if you had a working jetpack or even a parachute, people jump out of planes all the time, why is that hard to believe?

[Scorcher24]

Originally posted by Twelve:

which you could also do in the real world if you had a working jetpack or even a parachute, people jump out of planes all the time, why is that hard to believe?

Jumping out of a plane on 13000 ft and jumping out of tthe ISS are 2 entirely different things...

Halo jumps take place at roughly 28k ft and the jump of Baumgartner was from 128k ft, Alan Eustace managed 139k ft, but all of those took place from within the atmosphere. Read the article I linked above, you cannot withstand the reentry without some very special equipment that I don't think we have. Otherwise the ISS crew would not need an emergency vehicle to return to Earth. Anyway, this is drifting into this sort of hyperrealism discussion I don't want. But jumping into the atmosphere with our normal suits is just plain stupid.

[Twelve]

ah thats different, entering atmo at 20k mph, in se you would only be going 100m/s so reentry in a suit wouldnt be an issue

=p