Crude Tire Smoke Effects

[BearLover21]

From the videos, I noticed that the tire smoke effects in this game are actually quite rough and unrefined. It's not only noticeable, but also quite jarring when contrasted with the game's stellar graphics. A line is created where the smoke clips through the pavement, making the smoke look flat on the bottom and incredibly unrealistic.

If you're still unsure as to what I'm referring to, check out these screenshots:

http://www.imgbox.de/users/troy/Simracing/1458708_10151969239628069_662518927_n.jpg
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/FhUQUouQ3UE/maxresdefault.jpg

Yeah Lovely. Please, we would all appreciate an effort to smooth out the smoke effects.

In short, this is a next gen driving simulator, make it look like one!

[BearLover21]

Messaggio originale di Bigbazz:

The smoke in your GRID picture looks like water spray on a wet surface, it doesn't look like tyre smoke. I think that was my point. I own GRID and have over 30 hours played, I know what GRID looks like.

If it actually looked like smoke you would have a point.

I do have a point!!!! ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you dumbass look at the Assetto Corsa screenshot. Forget the GRID screenshot! Do you see flat bottom of the smoke? That is all I want fixed. That is all I am referring to. Read my last post again buddy. You'll see that when I refer to the GRID screenshot I specifically state that I DONT CARE ABOUT THE SIZE OR THE FACT THAT IT LOOKS LIKE WATER SPRAY. I literally say all I care about is THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO HARD EDGE IN THE GRID SCREENSHOT. That is fundamentally my argument. That is my point and I do have a point! Again I am only referring to the hard edge. Only the hard edge. That's all. Seriously. Do not tell me one more time that it doesn't look like water spray because that is completely irrelevant and again NOT MY POINT!!!

And if you are unwilling to do this, then forget about the comparison! Just forget about it. Just go back to the Assetto Corsa screenshots, and focus on my main point, because my point is crystal clear and obvious. I don't know why you insist on arguing about something else other than what I have stated, but maybe I should have said this:

The Assetto Corsa smoke is better than the Grid smoke in every single solitary way. It looks like smoke, not like water spray. It is the right amount, whereas Grid has way too much. However, the Grid smoke does not clip through the pavement and the Assetto Corsa smoke does. Remove the clipping and the smoke in AC will be perfect.

That is all I am going to say.

[Bigbazz]

And like I said, you should go to the Assetto Corsa forums and say that. Just keep your GRID picture because I don't want the smoke looking like water spray, lol.


Graphics settings and different perspectives are also important.

http://www.virtualr.net/wp-content/gallery/3704/176945_555927281100261_1103961176_o.jpg


Suddenly the smoke looks a lot better than your examples.

[yashooa]

Wow, I would say the car in the GRID shot looks like a$$ compared to this game. THe smoke is not as smooth acorss the pavement but man overall it is loads better than GRID.

[BearLover21]

Messaggio originale di Bigbazz:

And like I said, you should go to the Assetto Corsa forums and say that. Just keep your GRID picture because I don't want the smoke looking like water spray, lol.


Graphics settings and different perspectives are also important.

http://www.virtualr.net/wp-content/gallery/3704/176945_555927281100261_1103961176_o.jpg


Suddenly the smoke looks a lot better than your examples.

Did you read what I said at the bottom of my last post???

This is what I said:
"The Assetto Corsa smoke is better than the Grid smoke in every single solitary way. It looks like smoke, not like water spray. It is the right amount, whereas Grid has way too much. However, the Grid smoke does not clip through the pavement and the Assetto Corsa smoke does. Remove the clipping and the smoke in AC will be perfect."

I agree with you. I don't want the smoke looking like water spray and the GRID picture is gone.
That is a good picture you are showing me, however the hard edges are still visible if you look closely at the bottom. The smoke also isn't actually all that detailed either.

Since it isn't always noticeable, I don't think it needs to be an immediate fix, however I'll suggest it to make the developers aware.

[BearLover21]

Messaggio originale di yashooa:

Wow, I would say the car in the GRID shot looks like a$$ compared to this game. THe smoke is not as smooth acorss the pavement but man overall it is loads better than GRID.

I deleted the link for the GRID shot from the post. How can you still see it?

[delirivmcordia]

High FPS performace (120~ FPS) is infinitely more important than graphical quality in racing sims (reducing lag/increcing fluidity of motion).

The current smoke effects are far more economical on a system than any alternative you'd like them to implement, and therefore deliver a better driving experience; because even rigs that are starting to show their age can easily hit 60+ FPS while still having decent visual cues/flares enabled.

If you want an experience that prioritises graphical fidelity over everything else, you've probably come to the wrong place. That said, AC looks pretty spectacular, as far as I'm concened; and arguably better than any other "hardcore" sim on the market.
And it's still only v0.2.

[Bigbazz]

I read what you said but I was having fun winding you up about the GRID water spray.

The smoke in the game is a bit of an FPS hog at times anyway. And I know the smoke isn't the best in the game and I know the issue you're talking about, but with a small team of developers (less than 10 i hear) and a massive workload for them to do I doubt that smoke is very high on their list. I personally have no strong feelings about it and would rather they focus on other improvements.

If you want any issue seen and discussed by the people who make the game then you really do need to talk about it on the official forums. So if you want improved smoke then you need to talk about it there, though you don't own the game and really to be putting this much effort into talking about a game that you don't own!

The game as a driving simulator is phenomenal, these issues are mere specs of dust when considering the overall quality of the gameplay.

[Alpha.Floor]

Messaggio originale di Alphastorm:

Messaggio originale di Bigbazz:

Is that not the case? last I checked that was the case. There are no monster powered purpose built drift machines designed to burn up rubber in Assetto Corsa, you have a big heavy M3. The car in the GRID video is a purpose built drifting competition car, and really the picture does not actually look like tyre smoke.

I'm not referring to the amount of smoke. I agree it is perfect. Again, I am referring to the hard edge on the bottom of the smoke where it meets the pavement. Oh my god will you just read what I am saying and stop referring to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ GRID screenshot!!! Just look at the Assetto Corsa screenshot.

I'd have to agree. Smoke graphics don't look good compared to other games. It's one thing I wish Kunos will improve before the release. rFactor2 and RRRE has done it a lot better.

[BearLover21]

Messaggio originale di eladnosloc:

High FPS performace (120~ FPS) is infinitely more important than graphical quality in racing sims (reducing lag/increcing fluidity of motion).

The current smoke effects are far more economical on a system than any alternative you'd like them to implement, and therefore deliver a better driving experience; because even rigs that are starting to show their age can easily hit 60+ FPS while still having decent visual cues/flares enabled.

If you want an experience that prioritises graphical fidelity over everything else, you've probably come to the wrong place. That said, AC looks pretty spectacular, as far as I'm concened; and arguably better than any other "hardcore" sim on the market.
And it's still only v0.2.

An option to turn smoke smoothing on and off would be preferable.

[Raiden_chino]

Calm down people O_o
I'm pretty sure some effects will see a update at some point, including the smoke. Tomorrow's patch will upgrade cars reflections for example.
It' a Early Access game, seing crude or missing effects is to be expected.

[BearLover21]

Messaggio originale di samantha:

Messaggio originale di Alphastorm:

Seriously!! I just did you even read what I said in the post?!? Did you look at the screenshots I provided?!?

Yes I read your post, and looked at the pictures you posted, you still don't own Assetto Corsa yet, so what are you comparing, when you dont own it.....yet.

Doesn't matter, I'm not wrong about what I have discussed. And I will be purchasing it soon. As I have already stated, the reason I created this discussion was to improve the game as much as possible, and in my opinion this is a worthwhile improvement. I hope you agree.

[ProdigyXP]

I was going to go to bed... but thought I would have one last look over the forums before doing so. So glad I did... The entertainment was top-notch. :)

Like most others have said, I'm sure those smaller details will get worked on at a later date. Considering it is early in the beta stage, I think graphical details should take a back seat.

We're all on the same team! :)

[SeriousSpy]

Messaggio originale di Alphastorm:

Messaggio originale di KRoman47:

I didn't know until now I was actually playing a tire smoke simulator, I hope they will stop whole work just to focus on polishing tire smoke. )) It's really unimportant little thing at this time. I'm sure they will improve in future as much everything what will be in their capabilities.

I wish you would back me up on this instead of saying things like that. Obviously it doesn't have to be their highest priority, but I just want to make it known so that it is fixed in the end. And by the way, if the game is trying to be realistic, it should look realistic too. The tire smoke should look realistic.

"I really wish you would agree with me instead of not agreeing with me."

The smoke is a very UNimportant thing. There is no need to focus any time on it that could be focused on other things. This isn't Forza, where graphics are one of the most important things of the game.

[delirivmcordia]

Messaggio originale di Alphastorm:

An option to turn smoke smoothing on and off would be preferable.

Sure.
...in version 1.01, once they start working on other non-gameplay-centric tech.

Bringing this topic up, during the alpha/beta-phase, with zero time spent in-game, and zero dollars spent on the product itself is beyond stupid.
For all you know, those screenshots were taken with "AdvancedSmokeFX" turned off.