BMW 1M overpowered drift machine?

[Dummkopf]

Does anyone else think this new car is seriously over powered at drifting. My best drift level I got previously was 19 with both a Ferrari 458 and a Lotus Exige S Roadster. My first attempt with the BMW 1M I got to level 26, and right after that I hit 29. I could just be getting better at drifting, but the car seems a lot easier to hold prolonged drifts with.

Any thoughts?

[Shaq]

thats bmw's, thats what they do

[delirivmcordia]

Don't forget that they updated the tire model in 0.5, so that's probably helping you out a little as well.

[rudski]

"Any thoughts?"

Sure....



Don't get me wrong but I think this might comedown to a question of real drifting vs "american style" drifting.

First, I don't believe you can drift in this game, not currently. Without a proper axis based handbreak you are not drifting, you are chucking the car sideways.

My thoughts are you're getting into the game too much and asking illogical questions.

Maybe I don't possibly understand the question but honestly, in real life who uses a BMW to drift in? I know it's a game and people "get into it" but lets be real for a moment.

"Does anyone else think this new car is seriously over powered at drifting"

Let's break down this statement for a moment.

So you think the BMW 1M is overpowered but a Ferrari 458 isn't? o.O

And you don't feel it's wrong that you're "drifting" a Ferrari around a track? Here's a pro tip, no one drifts Ferraris'.

I'd love to provide some feedback but this is fantasy land guys.....

[Dummkopf]

Originally posted by rudski:

"Any thoughts?"

Sure....



Don't get me wrong but I think this might comedown to a question of real drifting vs "american style" drifting.

First, I don't believe you can drift in this game, not currently. Without a proper axis based handbreak you are not drifting, you are chucking the car sideways.

My thoughts are you're getting into the game too much and asking illogical questions.

Maybe I don't possibly understand the question but honestly, in real life who uses a BMW to drift in? I know it's a game and people "get into it" but lets be real for a moment.

"Does anyone else think this new car is seriously over powered at drifting"

Let's break down this statement for a moment.

So you think the BMW 1M is overpowered but a Ferrari 458 isn't? o.O

And you don't feel it's wrong that you're "drifting" a Ferrari around a track? Here's a pro tip, no one drifts Ferraris'.

I'd love to provide some feedback but this is fantasy land guys.....

Quite interesting. Why you try to apply reality to a video game is beyond me, and your motives even more so. But cool story I guess.

For the sake of the video game, and serious conversation, we will assume none of what you said is applicable because the game has a mode called "drift" that registers drifts by your definition of an american style of drift. In other words, lets try to not apply reality to this game, and instead maybe talk about the game for what it is.

Don't forget that they updated the tire model in 0.5, so that's probably helping you out a little as well.

I think that might be what changed a lot.

[rudski]

"Why you try to apply reality to a video game is beyond me"

Just because it's a piece of software on a PC doesn't make it a "game", I would say it's a simulator. Attempting to simulate as many aspects as possible.

I really wasn't attempting to troll or start anything, I just found it odd that you compare a Ferrari 458 and a 1M in drifting. Anyways, like I said I probably don't get the jist of the question.


Edit: Just to also note, you want serious conversation?

How is talking about the lack of a proper AXIS based handbrake not relavent to this topic?

You're talking about drfting and this simulator is missing a vital component to that aspect.

cool story my arse.

[Dummkopf]

Originally posted by rudski:

"Why you try to apply reality to a video game is beyond me"

Just because it's a piece of software on a PC doesn't make it a "game", I would say it's a simulator. Attempting to simulate as many aspects as possible.

I really wasn't attempting to troll or start anything, I just found it odd that you compare a Ferrari 458 and a 1M in drifting. Anyways, like I said I probably don't get the jist of the question.


Edit: Just to also note, you want serious conversation?

How is talking about the lack of a proper AXIS based handbrake not relavent to this topic?

You're talking about drfting and this simulator is missing a vital component to that aspect.

cool story my arse.

Might you try starting a post stating all these thing then? You seem to be looking for an argument with someone. That is not me. You might be right or wrong, but really I didn't ask any of these things.

Why did I bring up drifting a Ferrari 458? Welp, because it was one of the only other cars I had a large amount of success with, along with the Lotus, and I found most of the other BMW's a lot worse at drifting.

Talking about a lack of a, "proper AXIS base handbrake" is probably entirely subjective, as is using a steering wheel and foot pedals. That is why it isn't relevant.

[Queequeg]

Originally posted by rudski:

"Any thoughts?"

Sure....



Don't get me wrong but I think this might comedown to a question of real drifting vs "american style" drifting.

First, I don't believe you can drift in this game, not currently. Without a proper axis based handbreak you are not drifting, you are chucking the car sideways.

My thoughts are you're getting into the game too much and asking illogical questions.

Maybe I don't possibly understand the question but honestly, in real life who uses a BMW to drift in? I know it's a game and people "get into it" but lets be real for a moment.

"Does anyone else think this new car is seriously over powered at drifting"

Let's break down this statement for a moment.

So you think the BMW 1M is overpowered but a Ferrari 458 isn't? o.O

And you don't feel it's wrong that you're "drifting" a Ferrari around a track? Here's a pro tip, no one drifts Ferraris'.

I'd love to provide some feedback but this is fantasy land guys.....

Oh, look at me, I'm a pro at drifting. In my free time, I go around Steam forums and derail threads because it makes me look cool.

[GregZ85]

I find the M1 very understeery and a lot of work and handbrake use, to get it into oversteer. But i love the long 2nd gear, compared to E30 drift. I wouldn't say it's overpowered.

[Bigbazz]

Plenty of people drift 458s, not saying it's a pro competition drifting car, but the Ferrari 458 is a great drifting car with the right driver (Chris Harris?), there are many videos of it going sideways around a track. I don't understand why you "need" a handbrake for it to constitute real drifting, what part of reality does that hold true in? Because it's not true in the real world, definitely worth having a handbrake but you can definitely do it without one.

I got level 50 in the E92 M3 standard version (before the drift version was released) and aside from it taking forever I didn't think it was all that difficult at all. All the BMW cars are real great drifters, but that comes with the brand!



For what it's worth guys I think you miss the meaning of the thread creator. He's not saying "overpowered" in car terms (as in too much power) but overpowered game balancing terms, in that the car is too good at drifting, or too easy to drift compared to the other cars.

[T3CHSK4T3R]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXMbAtR5Bz0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa8VJ60fyZU

[Dummkopf]

Originally posted by Bigbazz:

For what it's worth guys I think you miss the meaning of the thread creator. He's not saying "overpowered" in car terms (as in too much power) but overpowered game balancing terms, in that the car is too good at drifting, or too easy to drift compared to the other cars.

That is what I meant. I guess it could be interpreted incorrectly. I've just used the term a lot throughout my time playing different video games and discussing them on forums alike.

I think the recent update has made drifting a lot easier rather than just the car.

[rudski]

When i read overpowered I though timmediately how can you compare a 600+ brake horse power car 9(supercar) with a 300ish one and now I see the error in my ways. Sorry.

[DriftNick]

Originally posted by rudski:

"Any thoughts?"

Sure....



Don't get me wrong but I think this might comedown to a question of real drifting vs "american style" drifting.

First, I don't believe you can drift in this game, not currently. Without a proper axis based handbreak you are not drifting, you are chucking the car sideways.

My thoughts are you're getting into the game too much and asking illogical questions.

Maybe I don't possibly understand the question but honestly, in real life who uses a BMW to drift in? I know it's a game and people "get into it" but lets be real for a moment.

"Does anyone else think this new car is seriously over powered at drifting"

Let's break down this statement for a moment.

So you think the BMW 1M is overpowered but a Ferrari 458 isn't? o.O

And you don't feel it's wrong that you're "drifting" a Ferrari around a track? Here's a pro tip, no one drifts Ferraris'.

I'd love to provide some feedback but this is fantasy land guys.....

pretty sure the OP means overpowered as in really good at drifting not that it has a lot of horsepower.

BWM's are really common drift cars in Europe, they are cheap and only need basics mods to be track ready, not different to something like a silvia.

why do you need a axis based handbrake? most people here use hydro handbrakes which are pretty much on/off.

@ OP, points drifting doesn't equal good drifting, the points system doesn't take in so many factors that make a good drift and is easily exploited to get more points.

[Marty]

Originally posted by rudski:

"Any thoughts?"

Sure....



Don't get me wrong but I think this might comedown to a question of real drifting vs "american style" drifting.

First, I don't believe you can drift in this game, not currently. Without a proper axis based handbreak you are not drifting, you are chucking the car sideways.

My thoughts are you're getting into the game too much and asking illogical questions.

Maybe I don't possibly understand the question but honestly, in real life who uses a BMW to drift in? I know it's a game and people "get into it" but lets be real for a moment.

"Does anyone else think this new car is seriously over powered at drifting"

Let's break down this statement for a moment.

So you think the BMW 1M is overpowered but a Ferrari 458 isn't? o.O

And you don't feel it's wrong that you're "drifting" a Ferrari around a track? Here's a pro tip, no one drifts Ferraris'.

I'd love to provide some feedback but this is fantasy land guys.....

I think you have no idea what your talking about a drift is just a powerslide, you can get it started in any way but if you maintain the drift then thats a drift :) You can start with handbrake which is the easiest, hard turn in and lots of throttle, normal entry dump the clutch or a scandinavian flick.

Have you ever even drifted a real car? I highly doubt it so not sure what feedback you were gteat wisdom was hoping to provide as what you did is all completly wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vocpe0eZUWg

Good drivers can drift anything and a BMW is no exception.

[Marty]

Here he is again in the 1M this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxz06R3yrJQ