The ferrari F40 in reality is....

[Major]

A real great handleing car on any circuit. In this game its not. I realize its a sim, but as I tried the F40, the lotus f1 car and a few others, in reality those cars handle very well on track, but in AC they are loose , and are a pain to handle even with the asists. My desire is to enjoy this sim, but when I compare the F40 to this video of the real F40/F50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MDTcXGsjuo why not get these cars to handle to the real thing???

[sorry i'm drunk]

Messaggio originale di Nakadai:

You have 14.8 hrs on record driving Assetto Corsa and you think in that short period of time you will be able to drift an F40 like Chris Harris ? LMAO!!!!!! You kids are something else!!!

19 hrs in Project Cars ? And no other titles in your inventory that are remotely close to being a racing simulator. Whatever dude! Put in the time and practice or stick with Arma and Half Life, lolz

Messaggio originale di Nakadai:

Oh wow this guy trying to drift a F40, straight into the grass. Must be bad physics, lolz Every Gran Turismo fanboy wanna be Chris Harris but none of them want to put in the time and practice like Chris Harris. Sorry son real driving simulators don't have DRIFT buttons! lolz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoBrUjNt97E


Laying down a strip so long in these F40 drifts pimps about to setup shop!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTkbiFJcHN0

Get over yourself you pretentious douche.

And I cringe every time I read your "lolz"

[C03]

I tried F40 without assist and decided to run Norschleife. After about 2 hours of crashing, I gave up for a day. Who knew trying to run the track clean can be so hard! I guess I was relying on computer too much.

[kazereal]

Remember that F40 also uses tyres from 80's for authenticity, not same stuff you see in the newer cars.

[Fatty McGassy]

Messaggio originale di kazereal:

Remember that F40 also uses tyres from 80's for authenticity, not same stuff you see in the newer cars.

Wait, you're telling me kunos wasted their time with physics for tires from the 80's instead of giving us realistic night and rain cycles?!

/sarcasm

[Natasha Romanova]

Messaggio originale di Tight in the Pickles:

Messaggio originale di kazereal:

Remember that F40 also uses tyres from 80's for authenticity, not same stuff you see in the newer cars.

Wait, you're telling me kunos wasted their time with physics for tires from the 80's instead of giving us realistic night and rain cycles?!

/sarcasm

THIS lololololololol Whats next, all the pumps are giving us 86 octane gas o.O
Ok I know there are people who love racing vintage but then give us 2 options for the cars vintage and current. or road and race.

[kazereal]

Messaggio originale di Natasha Romanova:

Ok I know there are people who love racing vintage but then give us 2 options for the cars vintage and current. or road and race.

Why? What would be the point?

Classic are supposed to be enjoyed the way they were originally.

Some old cars need additives in fuel to run on modern fuel.

Edit: looks like F40 does have vintage, street and semislick options already. Oh well.

[kazereal]

The thing you need to learn before driving F40 is to learn when and where the turbo spike kicks in and the general handling of the car itself. It is much more "hands on" driving than something more modern.

And for people expecting to drive Lotus 98T fast immediately: you are not Senna, get over it and start learning instead of complaining. F1 of the turbo-era were not easy to drive, you need some exceptional skills to drive them fast.

Most of us who are not Senna and don't have that kind of skill just need to practice that much more..

[Drisq Kivuli]

Messaggio originale di Gabriel GSX-R:

Nice drifting Nakadai! ;)

Thats not me. Although I can drift a bit in the BMW E30 and 911. F40 is a beast of a car. Its turbo lag makes it extremely difficult to control, lots o practice ! Its a great car although not my style. I prefer the Shelby Cobra\Daytona Coupe\M4\C7\Porsche 911. Just enough HP but not scorching the pavement. Although the Ruf RT12 isnt bad once you get a handle on it.

I look forward to the 911 R and 911 GT3 RS !

[Drisq Kivuli]

I was just being silly Hamburgler, didn't mean to offend. Drifting is possible in the F40 although it will take some time. You might wanna first try the BMW E30 or 1M. Be sure to set the track grip to green or fast. If you have it at 100%, drifting is considerably more difficult. Also when in the E30 or 1M Bimmers be sure to change the setup to street tyres. By default they will use semi slicks which have more grip than you will need to drift.

Steering angle and throttle modulation is the key and don't forget persistance is king! Goodluck and above all be sure to have fun!

Also keep in mind we aren't privy to the outtakes from Chris Harris's shows. I imagine there are quite a few takes to get those drifts perfect.

I recall when Harris drove the Ferrari F12tdf he mentioned how he spun it several times before getting a handle on the car and even then he said the it scared him.

The thing about Assetto Corsa is unlike other driving simulators each car truly handles differently. Just because you can drive the M3 well doesn't mean those skills will imediately translate to driving an older car such as the GT40 or Ferrari F40 well.

You've got to take the time to learn the character and mood swings of the car to drive it smoothly and proficiently.

I would suggest you pick three cars max and only drive those cars for a month or longer. Ideally I would suggest just one car although that might be a bit extreme for some people.

The level of detail and nuance in Assetto Corsa is amazing and really takes quite a bit of time to fully digest and appreciate. Enjoy it, we are living in a great time for racing simuators!

[CPT. Doc]

Handle is such an open term, what is good handling to one person is bad handling for someone else.

Here are some interesting things, in older cars "brakes" were just no where near what they are today. Another thing is that tires really really sucked back then as well........

Also if you go into a corner too fast then yes you will slide off the track, it doesn't matter if you are joe blow or Senna the result will be the same. The real difference is Senna wouldn't go into the corner too hot and he had a master level of control of his cars (especially in the rain). If something is a racing sim then it should be just as hard as real life (no harder and no easier) however who is the one to judge that?.

Here are some physics rule of thumb for you, rear heavy cars have a natural tendency to under steer, especially under power. Some rear heavy cars can result in snap over steer if you react to that understeer in a really poor way.

If you want a car that drives really well then stick to new cars, Do not drive the Ferrari F40 on 1980s tire technology. It is a great car but limited to the engineering of the time in which it was engineered (imagine that) so don't expect the Ferrari F40 for example to drive as well as the laferrari (it just doesn't).

this isn't really just aimed at the accuracy or lack there of in Assetto Corsa but more about the general car culture as it exist today (yes sim racers are part of it). Where opinions and bias are far more important then facts and accuracies, what is considered a good handling car in the 1980s probably isn't considered a good handling car today. If you remove the Ferrari F40 badge and said here is the 2018 (new car company with a new car) people would talk about how ♥♥♥♥ it was and how this kind of work was acceptable in the 1980s but not today.

[*.zip]

N-N-N-N-NECRO RAISER!!!

[Drisq Kivuli]

The problem is people think they can watch Chris Harris drift a F40 then do it themselves in a driving sim in a few minutes. Do a youtube search on F40 drifts, there arent many people with videos difting that car in real life. It aint easy , it will never be easy. Put in the time and practice or find something else to drive. This aint Gran Turismo, The Crew, Need for Speed or any other arcade or simcade driving game.

[Natasha Romanova]

You are all going on about drifting and that was not the point I was trying to make. Even Chris Harris exclaims oh wow Im drifting this F10 through the corner at 10 mph. When it comes to racing that would be a great way to lose a race not win ofcorse, thats the obvious.
My gripe and point is how incredible loose so many of the cars in AC are. Screeching tires at 30-40 km with the suspension rolling so insanely crazyily you end in a spin. You think your driving the first model t Ford down Nordschleife. So quickly many of you blame driver error. What a load of rubbish. I have to wonder if half of you even drive a real car.
Million dollar cars that can't take a S turn or corner at barely 30 - 40 km o.O So what is the point of having those cars in a game that is about setting up your car to race. Further more you go online to drive a modern supercar and all you find are multiple "Realistic Nordschleife" servers meaning all options removed. The cars come from the factory with computer technology. Its like a flight sim that includes F-22 Raptor but its decided its cheating if you use your avionics and beside a real fighter pilot does not need computer controls. So obviously you can't be much of a pilot if you need computer controls to fly your plane!.
So Kunos might as well include a track for Beverly Hills and West Hollywood so we can cruise our pathetic super cars. Don't forget to add in Starbucks, Beauty Salons, Boutiques,Reatuarants and a Night Club or two for realistic physics.

[Drisq Kivuli]

Chris Harris suggesting the F40 is a great handling car is no different than a professional violinist suggesting the stradivarius is the best playing violin in the world and you thinking you can just pick it up and after 14 hrs and testing and play it the same way the professional does is absurd!

If you could drift the F40 like Harris that would be the clearest indication that Assetto Corsa was an arcade racer and not a racing simulator.

Harris has been racing professionally since atleast 2000, thats 16 years experience. He drives performance cars on a regular basis if not every day.

But you think after 14 hrs of driving in Assetto Corsa you should be able to drive an F40 which is a notoriously difficult car to drive as compentantly as Chris Harris ?

Any of you lot that think this need your bloody head examined. Just because you drive a car everyday on the street has nothing remotely to do with driving a car at speed on a track.

The problem is too many are under the delusion that their opinion and perception are fact. Sorry but it doesnt work that way, its NEVER worked that way and it will NEVER work that way.


If you watch the conversation between Harris and Mark Hales they talk about how difficult the F40 is to drive and how most who drive them on the street will probably wreck them. Hale talks about how crazy it was to drive the F40 and how you can get wheel spin in 3rd and 4th gear.

Hale talks about how difficult the car was to drive in the rain and how he spun 7 times and quickly the car spun lot a top down the track. He goes on to talk about how incredibly dangerous the car was to drive in the rain.

Why do any of you think a car that can do that will be easy to drive at speed ? I can't vouch for how accurate the modeling of the F40 in AC is although I will say from everything I read its behavior seems very similar to the real life version.

If you enjoy cars and driving them fast, educate yourself, the Net is vast and infinite.

[Natasha Romanova]

I took the F40 stage 3 option out to Algrave and Nordschleife. The car very well behaved and if you lose the rears you can easily snap them right back in. But now do the same laps with the new Porsche 918 Spyder and you will see what I mean. Even if you keep the launch speed in check it is still a unstable car. The brakes are horrible, traction is horrible and it won't even break 300 km. The F40 is fine the 918 is a turd. I have to wonder why they are not going to do the Porshe 959 so we can compare the F40 to the 959 or is politics in play.