What is wrong with Ferrari F40 and McLaren?

[Bruno]

For some reason I can't drive those cars, they are so difficult to control compared to the rest of the available cars. Do I need a special setting for those cars? I use a logitech g27 wheel.

[pennarguy]

It would be nice to be one of the really fast people, like Bigbaz, but at the end of the day it is really about enjoying the sim'. I am old now and by the rules of nature getting slower lol.

The only way for me to continue enjoying racing sim's, is to still try my hardest.
I have never been able to understand the cheaters etc; can you really feel a sense of achievement if you win by cheating.

When I first tried the F40 in this sim', I thought I would never get anywhere with it at Mugello in the special events, when I did eventually manage a clean lap, I was about 8 seconds off the Bronze time. :) I now have the Bronze and the Silver and have been as close as .003 of a second from Gold...great fun and feeling of frustration at the same time. :)

I have been reading about "Aliens" and how some of the set ups they use should not work; so it is obviously down to personal skill and talent and instinct as well...there are winners and losers and some in betweeners, as in all walks of life.
I watched a Bigbazz video where he broke down a lap; (forget which track and car it was now) I was really almost at the point of giving up. I then applied some of the points he made out in the video and knocked 7 second off my best lap up to date. I know, it is like, "how can that happen?", but it did.

[Mike_Oxmall]

Nothing is wrong with it, it handles just like my one perfectly (f40 that is)

[heppsan]

Same here!!
Mostly having problems with the breaks on the F40, maybe just me being speed blind.. ;)

[heppsan]

Can't find the break presure setting?

[nowhere man]

Here´s what the OP was asking for, and what the developer answered weeks ago: just put street tires and lower the pressure to 27 PSI for all wheels.


Seriously, all this long ego stroking exchange about "you're bad, not the cars". Typical internet trolls.

[Bigbazz]

The idea that "you're bad and not the cars" often comes because people expect way way too much from a car. If you've been driving a racing car then your brain will adjust to it. If you now jump into a Ferrari F40 on street tyres from the 90s...

Well your braking distances are going to increase by 2, 3 or maybe 4x as long. If you're at Imola then the power in the F40 is going to propel you down that straight at a speed that is pretty similar to say a GT2 racing car. But when it comes to slowing down you have no downforce, you have no brakes and you have no tyres.

The reality is that we're all probably driving these cars a lot harder than we would in the real world, and a lot harder than the cars are really comfortable being driven. So we get understeer issues and oversteer issues and the brakes don't work. Simply because we're expecting too much from the cars. Like I said earlier. If you give yourself a brain reset by driving slower cars at a slower circuit (like Vallelunga Club layout) and then jump back into the F40 you will realise that actually the car works really well. It's never going to be easy to drive if you're hammering down a straight at 180mph on those crappy road tyres and then slam the brakes like you're in a GT racing car.


Force yourself to drive the car slow, much slower than normal and then slowly dial yourself into it and then start to push. Then you're pushing based on realistic expectations, rather than based on unrealistic expectations.

[Pnume]

Originally posted by arniesan:

It would be nice to be one of the really fast people, like Bigbaz, but at the end of the day it is really about enjoying the sim'. I am old now and by the rules of nature getting slower lol.

The only way for me to continue enjoying racing sim's, is to still try my hardest.
I have never been able to understand the cheaters etc; can you really feel a sense of achievement if you win by cheating.

When I first tried the F40 in this sim', I thought I would never get anywhere with it at Mugello in the special events, when I did eventually manage a clean lap, I was about 8 seconds off the Bronze time. :) I now have the Bronze and the Silver and have been as close as .003 of a second from Gold...great fun and feeling of frustration at the same time. :)

I have been reading about "Aliens" and how some of the set ups they use should not work; so it is obviously down to personal skill and talent and instinct as well...there are winners and losers and some in betweeners, as in all walks of life.
I watched a Bigbazz video where he broke down a lap; (forget which track and car it was now) I was really almost at the point of giving up. I then applied some of the points he made out in the video and knocked 7 second off my best lap up to date. I know, it is like, "how can that happen?", but it did.

I'm wondering if the chalenge F40 s3 at Mugello was meant to be played with the Slick 90'.
At first I thought it was only with semi-slick and I struggled to get the Bronze. I was a bit more than 1 second from the silver. Then I saw that people were using the slick 90' I tried it and with a little struggle I got the gold. I'm not anything like a good driver by the way.

[nowhere man]

Originally posted by BRT Cobra:

27 IS TOO HIGH also street tires will make it harder lol use step 3 tires at 23/22 and 90s slicks

Really? I found this settings the dev mentioned to be the best in my case (x360 controller). Anyways i'm gonna try what you suggested again and compare.

[heppsan]

Originally posted by BRT Cobra:

use this setup for step 3 version https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9hK7d4ZvaL2dTEzakt1NVlVRnM/edit?usp=sharing
this is my setup that ran me a 1:52.2 at monza just down load it then add it to mydocuments/assetto corsa/setups/f40/track you wnat to add it too

Thanks a lot!
Made a big difference, knocked 10 sec off my best time even on the first lap with cold tires!! :)

[pennarguy]

Originally posted by heppsan:

Originally posted by BRT Cobra:

use this setup for step 3 version https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9hK7d4ZvaL2dTEzakt1NVlVRnM/edit?usp=sharing
this is my setup that ran me a 1:52.2 at monza just down load it then add it to mydocuments/assetto corsa/setups/f40/track you wnat to add it too

Thanks a lot!
Made a big difference, knocked 10 sec off my best time even on the first lap with cold tires!! :)

I suppose it is what way you want to go in playing the sim', Bigbazz helped me but, he did not give a set up for the car, he gave driving hints. I enjoy setting up the car myself and going as fast as I can with my sets; I have started to read up on how to set up different classes of cars (bit late in the day really at my age) instead of using my hit and miss approach that I have used since GPL. :)

[Arya]

Originally posted by StBean:

LOL, dont forget cars have become a lot lighter and handling has increased just by natural evolution of tecnology. F40 is basically a rocket on four wheels, seems quite heavy too.

That's incorrect. The vast majority of cars are substantially heavier now than in the past. A lightweight compact sports car in the 1980s meant as little as 850 kilos wet weight. Nowadays that's around 1400-1650 kilos.

With supercars, it's a similar story. The McLaren is light by modern standards only-it's still nearly 1.5 tons, while historically we've had similar cars as light as 980 kilos-and with a far larger engine as well.

As for the McLaren VS the 458, it's important to remember that the 458 is a far more expensive car. If it wasn't a better car than the McLaren, then that would turn away the hardcore drivers which have always been Ferrari's chosen market. Ferrari can't choose their clients, but they wish they did. There have been times in the recent past where they've refused to sell a car to someone afterall...

[DrSmile]

Originally posted by Vindekar:

Originally posted by StBean:

LOL, dont forget cars have become a lot lighter and handling has increased just by natural evolution of tecnology. F40 is basically a rocket on four wheels, seems quite heavy too.

That's incorrect. The vast majority of cars are substantially heavier now than in the past. A lightweight compact sports car in the 1980s meant as little as 850 kilos wet weight. Nowadays that's around 1400-1650 kilos.

With supercars, it's a similar story. The McLaren is light by modern standards only-it's still nearly 1.5 tons, while historically we've had similar cars as light as 980 kilos-and with a far larger engine as well.

As for the McLaren VS the 458, it's important to remember that the 458 is a far more expensive car. If it wasn't a better car than the McLaren, then that would turn away the hardcore drivers which have always been Ferrari's chosen market. Ferrari can't choose their clients, but they wish they did. There have been times in the recent past where they've refused to sell a car to someone afterall...

agreed to vindekar

and of course the massive improvement of suspension, brakes and tyres. Dont forget ecu´s and "intelligent" drivetrain for 4wd cars and better/stiffer chassis. Most weight come in terms of safetyregulations for public roads and comfortoptions. So the easiest way to make your roadgoing car faster will be to improve suspension and weight/power ratio. Then you can have a 1k kg car like in the 80´s with all the nice stuff from today. One of the few really lightweight cars out of the box today is a lotus elise/opel speedster. But they nothing compared to the F40/McLaren F1 from the 80/90s. And with that much hp you just need more weight or you have a nice deathratio in your stats like the original porsche turbo had :)

[Arya]

As a trackday driver, the main thing I see holding older cars back are tyres, transmissions, and driver requirements.

There are some cars from 20-30 years ago which, given some modern upgrades, I suspect could probably compete on a level with modern cars. The F40 is one example, the Lola T70 is another. If you fitted a T70 with a sequential trans, modern slicks and tuned the chassis to match, it'd still be effective today. What was aerodynamic, powerful and light fourty years ago still is today. It's just the details that have changed-and consequently increased the weight.

Another major issue, atleast for people my size, is the interior. I used to have a Chrysler E49, and the only real flaw it had for trackday use, was the lack of either air conditioning or power steering. I was fine for a few laps, but 5-6 laps in the cockpit started to get alarmingly hot, and my arms started to get tired, which usually saw me retire a few laps later. If you put a newer steering rack, re-routed the exhausts to reduce heat and found a larger, stronger driver, the E49 would still be a great race car, over 40 years on.

[pennarguy]

Go to the gym more often. :D

[Talkie Toaster]

You should try the F40 S3 on road tyres with a PS3 pad, THAT is hard! I quite like how the McLaren drives with TCS off, you can throw it around more than the F40