Assetto Corsa Compared to Gran Turismo

[Steven]

so when comparing the two with carreer mode what can you do in one that you cant do in the other ?

are you able to buy cars and buy upgrades for them like engine performance trubos thing like that is game compareable to gran turismo ?

[Steven]

well i guess got many answears and points of views on it. thanks to every one for input.

general input i get is that there great things about both games like things i enjoy with GT being the career mode and there great things about this game mostly driving sounds physics.

i guess what pc needs is a game that brings both to gether in a marriage lol

[Golden Grandpah]

Beta tester for GT7 on the ps4 here:D

Nguyên văn bởi jason moyer:

Nguyên văn bởi Sawkilla:

I laugh out loud to all the people that say gt is an arcade game. They obviously havent played gt6 or 7 on the ps4 yet.

That's probably because GT6 is a PS3 game and GT7 hasn't come out yet.

[KuBr0]

Nguyên văn bởi Sawkilla:

Beta tester for GT7 on the ps4 here:D

Nguyên văn bởi jason moyer:

That's probably because GT6 is a PS3 game and GT7 hasn't come out yet.

what is the stage of the development? can we await the game anytime soon?

[Golden Grandpah]

Glad you asked. Its pretty far in to development, but testing just started a month or so ago.. Career is really tight, multiplayer is going to start testing late spring this year.

I have about 100 hours into it so far and only 12% in to completing career.

The licensing is a little different compared to past GT's. It seems really easy to get a gold now. Also I noticed the AI is A LOT smarter but more giving at the same time right now. They get right out of your way for a clean pass(when you have the right momentum to get by clean) instead of keeping the lane, but at the same time they will slam the door on you if you get off line.

The physics and graphics put Assetto on the back burner in my opinion, but thats just me. Its much more of a simulator than previous GT's thats for damn sure. I use an omega cockpit/wheel to drive and its so tight and loose at the same time, that it compares to driving a street car. Havent got in to the mosters yet. Im only so far in to the career that I am still on the street cars.

Supposedly to be released late this year early 2016. Its still in the beginning test stages of testing so I wouldnt expect it till close to the end of the year at least.

Nguyên văn bởi KuBr0:

Nguyên văn bởi Sawkilla:

Beta tester for GT7 on the ps4 here:D

what is the stage of the development? can we await the game anytime soon?

[Golden Grandpah]

Just want to add this as well. Ive run into 2 bugs/glitches and reported them. Within the week they were fixed. So they are right on top of things as far as fixing whats needs to be fixed in a timely manner to get this game out.

[KuBr0]

I think it will be much earlier, 9/2015 latest, they have to push for the release really hard since its one of the main titles of the sony console branch and is a year and a half late :D btw. def going to buy it just to relax a little in front of my TV, but AC is still the real deal :D

[Golden Grandpah]

Yeah I have a feeling that the game is set to be released before Christmas as well. The game is pretty much finished. Its all about working the bugs out at this point. And so far there are not that many.

Nguyên văn bởi KuBr0:

I think it will be much earlier, 9/2015 latest, they have to push for the release really hard since its one of the main titles of the sony console branch and is a year and a half late :D btw. def going to buy it just to relax a little in front of my TV, but AC is still the real deal :D

[sturgis]

practice untill you are ready to move onto true racing SIMs ?

[rudski]

No one wants their favourite game bashed but let me put this arguement to you.

Telemetry data must be included for a title to be considered a simulator.
Why?
Because with that real-time data (1000's of data packets per second) AC applies that data to the physics engine. A easy example would be tyre temps and air pressure.

In AC telemetry data is created in real time. The telemetry data is massive and it monitors many things, in fact too many things.
AC is a simulator no arguement.

GT produces no telemetry data.

That means it can't add those pieces of data to the physics engine in real-time. It might have basic generic data such as if the tyre is doing X speed therefor it must be X temp but it's not monitoring everything in real-time.

It's safe to assume it's not calculating tyre temps, it's not calculating the camber or the toe, or another 1000 other things because it simply doesn't know about them.

Without proper telemetry support GT can't put those details into the physics engine, it can only guess and therefor why it's always been a simulator/arcade and not a true simulator.

[Mukatahren]

The simple difference between the two is that AC is a racing simulator and GT is not. You might enjoy both, many people do, but they are what they are.
GT is aimed and marketed at a very broad audience of console gamers and must be playable by just about anybody. AC and other simulators are aimed at providing a more realistic experience through more accurate world and car physics, and more realistic racing environments.
Both titles have entirely different goals. Both have their place in the market.

[rudski]

Below is a list of just some of the telemetry data AC produces in real time, not based on guess work and 100% based on driver inputs.
GT isn't a simulator it guesses what is going on and that's about it. Without this data you can't simulate anything.


GPS Latitude
GPS Longitude
Damper Velocity (Calc) FL
Damper Velocity (Calc) FR
Damper Velocity (Calc) RL
Damper Velocity (Calc) RR
Corr Dist Corr Dist (Unstretched)
Corr Speed
ABS Active
ABS Enabled
Best Lap Time
Brake Pos
CG Accel Lateral
CG Accel Longitudinal
CG Accel Vertical
CG Height
Camber FL
Camber FR
Camber RL
Camber RR
Car Coord X
Car Coord Y
Car Coord Z
Car Damage Front
Car Damage Left
Car Damage Rear
Car Damage Right
Car Pos Norm
Caster FL Caster FR
Chassis Pitch Angle
Chassis Pitch Rate
Chassis Roll Angle
Chassis Roll Rate
Chassis Velocity X
Chassis Velocity Y
Chassis Velocity Z
Chassis Yaw Rate
Clutch Pos
DRS Active
Drive Train Speed
Engine Limiter Engine RPM
Fuel Level
Gear
Ground Speed HR
Sample Clock
In Pit
LR Sample Clock
Lap Time Lap Time2
Last Lap Time
Max Fuel Max Power
Max RPM
Max Sus Travel FL
Max Sus Travel FR
Max Sus Travel RL
Max Sus Travel RR
Max Torque
Num Tires Off Track
Raw Data Sample Rate
Ride Height FL
Ride Height FR
Ride Height RL
Ride Height RR
Self Align Torque FL
Self Align Torque FR
Self Align Torque RL
Self Align Torque RR
Session Lap Count
Steering Angle
Suspension Travel FL
Suspension Travel FR
Suspension Travel RL
Suspension Travel RR
TC Active
TC Enabled
Throttle Pos
Tire Dirt Level FL
Tire Dirt Level FR
Tire Dirt Level RL
Tire Dirt Level RR
Tire Load FL
Tire Load FR
Tire Load RL
Tire Load RR
Tire Loaded Radius FL
Tire Loaded Radius FR
Tire Loaded Radius RL
Tire Loaded Radius RR
Tire Pressure FL
Tire Pressure FR
Tire Pressure RL
Tire Pressure RR
Tire Radius FL
Tire Radius FR
Tire Radius RL
Tire Radius RR
Tire Rubber Grip FL
Tire Rubber Grip FR
Tire Rubber Grip RL
Tire Rubber Grip RR
Tire Slip Angle FL
Tire Slip Angle FR
Tire Slip Angle RL
Tire Slip Angle RR
Tire Slip Ratio FL
Tire Slip Ratio FR
Tire Slip Ratio RL
Tire Slip Ratio RR
Tire Temperature FL
Tire Temperature FR
Tire Temperature RL
Tire Temperature RR
Toe In FL Toe In FR
Toe In RL Toe In RR
Turbo Boost
Wheel Angular Speed FL
Wheel Angular Speed FR
Wheel Angular Speed RL
Wheel Angular Speed RR

[DriftNick]

Nguyên văn bởi Sawkilla:

Beta tester for GT7 on the ps4 here:D

Most people aren't beta testers for GT7 so are judging GT off what we can play atm, it would be great if GT7 is more of a sim as I could see myself wasting a lot of time doing career mode in the the driving was better.

[Kosmozuikis]

Both games are sims. AC has better physics and sounds. GT6 has more content and it's a finished game, not beta or alpha. So it's a better game overall.

[-=STONE ISLAND=-]

lmao, troll on

Nguyên văn bởi Kosmozuikis:

Both games are sims. AC has better physics and sounds. GT6 has more content and it's a finished game, not beta or alpha. So it's a better game overall.

[rudski]

Nguyên văn bởi Kosmozuikis:

Both games are sims.

I guess if you repeat it long enough you'll believe it. It's as much a sim as F1 2015.

Put it this way why do you think Kunos didn't add mods like you see in GT?

That question was put to the devs ages ago and you know what they said?

To simply add more power via turbo or to change the aero dynamics on any car would require them to rework the car for each combination of modifications, considering the amount of mods GT offers this would be impossible. Also no data is available for most of the modifications.

When they purchase a licence they not only get the right to use the name of the car in the game but they also get all the engineering data along with each car. All the data that comes from aero dynamic testing and so forth.

If you add a larger wing to a car and change the original you don't just add more downforce you also change the fundementals of the car the way it handles and so forth. Considering Kunos are after accuracy adding "made up" wings or other stuff to the car would defeat the whole purpose of the project, accuracy.

That's why they stick to the real cars and the real mods (stages) available because they can test the car against the data in the game and provide an accurate representation.

Essentially, if you add something to the car it may as well be treated as a different car. It's impossible to model correctly all the combinations that GT has to make it anywhere realistic.

GT is not a sim.