Still spin like hell and get really frustrated...

[St3fan]

I can't finish a lap in Lotus Elise at Imola without spinning when all driving assists are off. Playing with 50% stability control feels playable for me, but turning stability control to 0% just is impossible, so I'm really frustrated and confused. I wish to know if I could download other people's replay and learn? Or any tip please..?

[St3fan]

g27

[quf]

You should read the sections of Grip, Weight Transfers, Steering and Braking from here: http://www.drivingfast.net/ (this is knowledge for the physical world racing, but since this game is a simulation, all physics from the real world racing apply in the game).

[Oh Heck]

Well, tested the Elise on Imola, and I have to say it drives quite nicely. One thing I did notice, is that you want to give it some gas when in the corners. Once you hear the wheels making some noise and it wants to oversteer, give it some gas to get your traction back.

For some reason with this car letting off the gas seems to cause a loss of traction in corners.

What is your wheel set for? 900?

[tcpl]

Are you heel and toeing?

[SeriousSpy]

Originally posted by 0xc0ffee:

Are you heel and toeing?

I doubt it's that, to be honest, I've never heel-and-toe'd in my life, and I haven't had any problems.

[tcpl]

Originally posted by SeriousSpy:

Originally posted by 0xc0ffee:

Are you heel and toeing?

I doubt it's that, to be honest, I've never heel-and-toe'd in my life, and I haven't had any problems.

Well if I downshift whilst braking hard on the lotus 49 and don't rev-match, the rear will often step out. That's the only car with a stick-shift I regularly drive in AC so maybe it's not so bad with the others.

[St3fan]

Originally posted by Capersky™ - la Légende:

I don't know what to say..maybe take it easy on the throttle and practice, you can find a lot of videos on youtube

Well I know that sounds like I suck hard... but I do feel quite frustrated and fail to understand what the problem is.

[St3fan]

Originally posted by 0xc0ffee:

Originally posted by SeriousSpy:

I doubt it's that, to be honest, I've never heel-and-toe'd in my life, and I haven't had any problems.

Well if I downshift whilst braking hard on the lotus 49 and don't rev-match, the rear will often step out. That's the only car with a stick-shift I regularly drive in AC so maybe it's not so bad with the others.

Well I actually do heel-and-toe, and I actually do heel-and-toe in real life. But on a G27 it feels so different that I'm not sure if I'm doing it right.

[tcpl]

Originally posted by St3fan:

Originally posted by 0xc0ffee:

Well if I downshift whilst braking hard on the lotus 49 and don't rev-match, the rear will often step out. That's the only car with a stick-shift I regularly drive in AC so maybe it's not so bad with the others.

Well I actually do heel-and-toe, and I actually do heel-and-toe in real life. But on a G27 it feels so different that I'm not sure if I'm doing it right.

If you're regularly spinning in the braking zone then you're not rev-matching correctly (enable auto throttle blip and see if that fixes it). If you're spinning on corner exits you're probably just too used to the TC and are being too aggressive with the throttle.

There are lots of lotus elise@imola vids on YT BTW.

[Mr Crisp]

Mid-mounted engine and rear wheel drive means the car is very neutral- it can go from understeer to oversteer in an instant and is very sensitive to `lift-off` oversteer- IE If lift of the throttle too quickly in a corner, you can experience oversteer as the cars weight shifts off the rear wheels reducing traction.

Finding the balance is key.

[Ragequit Inc.]

I just did a about a dozen laps on the combo, just to see. I found, on the first few laps, with the default set, the only issue I really had was the lift-off oversteer (mentioned by Mr Crisp above) in the first left-hander after the first set of corners and in the 2 right-handers when you're coming down from the hill. I got rid of that by trail-braking.

(and I'm still not great with heel'n'toe, as I 'updated' to the G27 just a few weeks ago and haven't practised all that much yet)

[Talkie Toaster]

I find the Elise/Exige to have mild understeer under power and wild oversteer under braking, they are very light and mid engined so you have to be very careful to keep the weight settled whilst slowing, especially in to a bend.

Brake before the corner and use the throttle gently to keep the back end where you want it through the corner.

[Marty]

I just did a couple laps in this combo, been driving the Elise SC in a league so getting used to it. Uploaded a replay for you to see and unfortunatly it doesnt show clutch inputs but shows throttle and brake so it may see how I do that to balance this car through corners.

Here is a replay of a little 2 lap hotlap session, first lap was more an outlap just getting the tyres warmed up and braking earlier then normal into most corners.

http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&track=2&car=14
{LINK REMOVED}http://www.mediafire.com/download/kx545gxzzar12yh/hotlap__lotus_elise_sc%40imola_Marty_2_05_700.rar


I use the shifter clutch and no aids just use the default in car ABS with G25. Lots of heal and toe and also use clutch on upshifts and under deep braking sometimes along with right foot braking mostly. Sometimes left foot brake but only some corners I will right foot brake so I am not off throttle too long to loose the rear.

This car will get loose off throttle so use that to your advanatgae as naturally its a little pushy or understeery. So pretty much best to give it a little throttle as soon as your off the brake to settle the rear. Dont downshift too early and try to revmatch properly if your losing rears and the motor revs like mad on downshifts delay your shifts a little. Try to have the car as settled as much possible and get into the apex cleanly.

Some corners you may want to come in a little more loose but thats mor advanced so at first just try and keep it nice and straight. The exits are the key in the Elise as it doesnt have much power and you need to carry speed through the corners. It can brake very well but I dont brake on the limits on a hotlap as its harder to nail the apexes that way.Save that extra braking performance for overtakes into corners where you dont need to worry so much about the exit just getting in later and making the apex.

The funny thing is in MP most people that are slower then me will always brake later and harder missing many apexes. The key is to hit the apex and get on power as soon as you can with minimal driver inputs. If you brake 5 or 10m earlier every corner you should hit every apex brake on the limit and you will likely miss at least one a lap. You may lose .2 per lap with earlier braking but over a second for every apex missed. For ultimate pace you can push that bit harder on braking but only once you have got all you can from good clean exits out of every turn.

A very good car to practice dealing with lift off oversteer is the Abarth 500 s1 surprisingly, this car gets very light off throttle and the rear will come around. But the car being a fwd if it gets loose all you need to do is plant the throttle and it will straighten up. Its great practice for balancing a car on entry with the throttle. A rear engine car that is prone to lift off overstear is a bit trickier as you cant plant the throttle to save it as this will just cause a spin. But balancing the sliding car into apex is much the same and much easier to do in a FWD car.

[Marty]

I just checked my replay and noticed my throttle pedal has been spiking again. need to clean those pots again lol.

[St3fan]

Thank you all very much for your advice and Marty's replay. I think my problem might be lifting off throttle too quick and brake too sudden and too hard. I never drive a RWD car, and I have no racing experience at all in real life and in video games so I don't know what good paddle control should be like. I'll try to get more practice on these paddles then.