[RANT / Don't bother with this thread.] **** off encrypted mods.

[WKB]

Edit: October, 24th. Things are changed. I've dealt with those encrypted mods now, as my modding skills are improved. So, don't even bother with reading this stupid rant .

However, my point still stands. Encryption abuse is ♥♥♥♥ move.

I have asked Steam mod to lock this thread as well.
But this post still remains (probably), as I want to raise an awareness of how sucks those encryption abuse are, and why its need to be stopped.

And its hilarious how was I salty back then, lmao.

※WARNING※ Very Long. TLDR version is, ♥♥♥♥ all of those insecure and immature modders who abuses an encryption. Also punishing innocent people by encrypted mods, just sake of your immature ego is so dumb.
Also warning for my broken English. I'm not a native speaker.

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Seriously, what's the point of an encryption? Why are so many immature modders are so insecure about their mod is being "stolen"???? In fact, NOBODY stealing your mod!

After half year of consideration to whether vent about this or not, I've finally decided to make this post. Because of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Mitsuoka Orochi.
First, I love Mitsuoka Orochi. This car's been imported to Assetto Corsa by two different modders. Both encrypted and both by modders who never abused an encryption prior to Orochi.

1st one was terrible. But man, 2nd one was WAY WORSE. But at least I could send a message to creator of 2nd one. So, I sent a message and explained why you shouldn't encrypt and their encryption was an abuse. (also how terrible their mod was).
Guess whats? My message is simply ignored.

Seriously, who do they think who they are?
If you want to act like you're best modder ever exist and you're above of all of other peasants, then where's lods? why your mod has like 2.5m triangles? How about file size optimization? How about handling being way too inaccurate (according to datas available on internet and obvious aero.ini data)? Where's fuel_cons.ini, which is required? Why AI suck at handling your car? Why tires have too much grips? Why everything are so inaccurate? What about suspension model? Why is pit time so short? How about EVERYTHING!??

I'm not specifying this about guys whose converted Orochi.
I'm talking about ALL MODDERS WHO ARE ENCRYPTING THEIR MODS FOR A WRONG REASON.

Seriously, is it too hard to follow a pipeline made by Kunos itself?
As far as I'm aware, 100% of encrypted mods aren't followed Kunos pipeline completely. Even RSS, VRC, MNBA and Guerrilla Mods. Out of those 100%, at least 98% aren't even trying to follow pipeline AT ALL!
However, all of those 4 modders mentioned above, are following Kunos Pipeline at certain degree and does have enough quality for both performance wise and visual wise. So, I accept them.
Also RSS and VRC are fully scratched model. Therefore, they have completely legit reason to do an encryption. So, I have absolutely no issue with it and respect their decision.

But what about others???? Why are you acting like you own the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ converted model??? Why are you so butthurt about someone tweaking tire changing time to 10 seconds from 2 seconds? Why are you ego so sensitive enough about just stupid pit time? Get some help.

Well, on the plus side, I've finally managed to learn how to convert models into AC while ago. 20% of my motivation was very strong hatred towards to those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ modders whose encrypt their mod for absolutely wrong reason. Doing something over a revenge, Is not healthy.
(Rest of 80% motivations are pure love and faith for cars I love).

Oh, I also should tell. I swear. Converting a model doesn't take like 30 hours. If the mod is half-baked, it should've able to done in like 10 hours like some encrypted mod does.
30 hours I spent are, of course, it's including making lods, texture optimization, making proper material. Few things I've ditched about from Kunos Pipeline are something minor like low-res cockpit or blurred rims.

I'm actually planned to convert cars that already exist but encrypted. Such as AMG Hammer, Buick GSX, Dodge Magnum SRT-8, Toyota Tundra TRD Pro, Jeep Trackhawk, SVT Lightning and bunch of other cars as well.
But lemme say, why do I have to convert cars that are already exist? Why do I have to spend some times, because of those immature modders?
I'm not saying it's waste of time. It's worth it. Because I love cars.

Seriously, I'm really REALLY sick of those encrypted trash mods.

Tweaking games by each individual's taste is what's all about modding.
I change handling data for my own taste. Sometimes, according to more real-life data. Sometimes, I only change tire data. Most of times, I optimize both performance and file size wise.
And THIS is not your business and everyone has rights to tweaking it by their own taste. You have no rights to interfere someone spicing up their game according to their taste.
Your encryption is nothing but violating those our rights (is it a proper usage of word?) and severely against of idea of the modding.

If you have issue with it, about how some people changing handling data according to their own taste, then ♥♥♥♥ off. You're disgrace of modding scene of Assetto Corsa.

Also do you even realize of that, encrypt your mods just want to prevent ACTK reuploading your mod as version 1.1, is WAY WORSE than ACTK's doing?

It's because of your encryption, people who are being punished is not ACTK. People who are being punished are majority of people whose downloaded your encrypted mods. Of course, THEY ARE INNOCENTS! Your encrypted mods simply wasted all of those innocent users times, betrayed their expectation, insulted love to it's cars. THIS IS SOMETHING WAY WORSE DOING THAN THE RE-UPLOADING. Do you even aware of that, HUH? That's pretty much elaborate way to say "♥♥♥♥ YOU". It's same equivalent of chiseling middle-finger statue out of an obsidian.
Sure, reuploading is ass move. But at least ACTK's taking care of something that original modders didn't. ACTK version are more performance friendly. I honestly don't care of ACTK's doing.
So, how about lose some of your egos and be respectful to all of users whose downloaded your mod, instead of being so narcissistic and being so insecure of your ego?

IF IT'S NOT FULLY SCRATCHED MODEL, DON'T ENCRYPT YOUR MOD.

IF YOU INSIST YOU WANT TO ENCRYPT YOUR MOD, THEN FOLLOW ALL PIPELINES MADE BY KUNOS (or at least nearly everything). THAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY COMES WITH AN ENCRYPTION. OTHERWISE, YOUR ENCRYPTION IS AN ABUSE.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

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Also thank you for reading my rant.

I apologize for my strong language. However, this is due to me being actually severely stressed because of those half-baked unusable mods that are completely waste of time.

I'm just a car enthusiasts who loves almost any kinds of cars and simply want to enjoy it. Also I've worked on improving over 2,000 mods for just only for my usage.

As I said, I love cars. That's why I'm also sickened of all of those people who converts cars just sake of their fame, popularity, money, status or whatever and doesn't actually give a ♥♥♥♥ about it's cars.

Seriously, there's no excuse.
I've learned how to optimize mods, both performance and file size, prior to I've learned how to convert.
Optimizing them are significantly easier than the conversion. Why you can't optimize your mods, yet still acts like "duuuh my mod's perfect so I'm gonna encrypt it so nobody ever insult my ego wehehhhhh"?

Those behavior seriously disgusts me.

I'm probably risking my Steam account to being monitored because of all of swears. Especially considering the fact, how Steam Mods works today. But I'll risk it. Because...
THIS IS AN ONGOING ISSUE WITH ASSETTO CORSA MODDING SCENE AND NEED TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. At least for my prospective.
I swear 60% of mods I've downloaded this year alone, out of my expectation, were encrypted and 97% of them are went to trash bin straight.

Again, this is serious issue within Assetto Corsa community.
I freely admit this post is kinda cringe with broken English also sounded like 12 years old salty ass. But even I'm risking of embarrass myself, I risked it. Because, again, this is a serious issue.
Yes I have lack of English and grammar ability. But I did my best.

If you're modder who encrypts your mod. But after reading my rant then decided to changed your mind to not to encrypt your mods... I'd really appreciate to your decision and you will have my personal apology for my language and insult.

Again, thank you for reading my stupid rant.

Edit 1: TITLE

Edit 2: Updated TLDR.

Edit 3 and 4: Little grammar update. Sorry about that. Jesus, I really suck at writing things.

Edit 5: This isn't an April fools joke.


Update.
Lmao, even joke/fun mod like Tuk Tuk is encrypted as well. Oh my god, this is so stupid.

Update 2.
Some "modders" are full of sack of ****. I'm really thinking to do an expose on them.

Last Update (I believe): I've been informed by URD Team on Twitter, that they finally decided to encrypt their mods. Also probably they implied that data.acd is encrypted as well?
I mean, I have no issue with it. Since VRC, RSS and URD mods are full-scratch. Therefore, their encryption is completely rightful usage.
But didn't expect they even encrypted data.acd, if their claim was true. Only thing I want to tweak about data.acd is, car name and tires.

I'm trying to say, I understood and respect their decision, but disappointed.
I didn't disappointed to URD. I disappointed to some modders straightly steals handling data from URD, VRC and RSS. Then uses on their mods. Sometimes, worse, some bad modders steals 3d models and texture as well. I know some examples.
This is why some proper modding team had to resort with an encryption. Because of bad modders.
But who's gonna punished? The bad modder who steals their data? Yes, but innocent user like myself too.
But this isn't all about an encryption. This is about some abusive modder stealing things. So, I think I should make a post about this at another occasion. Some modders really need to be exposed.

Regardless, I'm fan of URD's work. In fact, huge fan. But I think I'll postpone buying their latest work. At least until I have a confirmation about this more.

Again, as mentioned above, do not abuse an encryption.
Also remember, URD, VRC and RSS has completely legit reason to do an encryption and is not an abuse.

Extra Update for reference purpose

EDIT: Oct. 24th. This part is deleted, as it was obsolete.

[Sassanid]

I don't get it. There are so many amazing free mods out there, and paid too, I've never stopped to think about their encryption. Maybe because I don't really want to change anything since the people designing the mods probably know more about what they're doing than I do, and secondly, it's their mod right? If they want to encrypt it and keep it as it is, that's their choice.

I just like to get in a car and drive and enjoy. 99% of mods I download and try, I delete any way since they're mostly just for fun and I only keep a handful of mods that are very detailed and the physics are true to life (or as close as possible).

Maybe you have different goals with the mods and need them to be editable but for the majority of us it's a non issue I think, and definitely not something to get this stressed and worked up over.

[WKB]

I see, I really wish I could think this matter easily as you do. No offense intended.

Publicado originalmente por Fret:

I don't get it. There are so many amazing free mods out there

And yes, there are many amazing mods for free.
But even within those amazing mods, some flaws can be seen in plain sight. Such as lack of lods, lack of files (fuel_cons.ini. Which leads to wrong pit strategy for AI) and others, as I addressed in OP.

Also I'd much prefer to use tire models made by Kunos and same pit time value as Kunos one, for consistency.

Publicado originalmente por Fret:

Maybe because I don't really want to change anything since the people designing the mods probably know more about what they're doing that I do

I must say two things about "more about what they're doing that I do".
As far as I've overhauled so many mods, I could say both, true and untrue.

First, true part is...
That's the issue. I believe I have addressed about this, in post about Cayman GT4 RS you've posted.
If you more knows about modding, you can easily trick people who are without modding knowledge.

Also encryption is the one way to hide their flaws. It's the way to hide their lazyness and incapability by abusing pile of blue triangle ****s. (sorry for language).
But still, those are still detectable, which I did countless times for encrypted mods.

As I have mediocre or probably decent knowledge about Assetto Corsa modding, I'm able to identify/detect flaws, such as issues I've mentioned in OP. And I'm able to fix them myself, if there was no encryption. This is frustrating.
Also as I've mentioned in OP, even if you have reported it, original modders won't fix it. Despite of it's the responsibility comes with an encryption. After you report it, modders always either shadowban my comment or simply ignore it. This happened to me like 10 times already.

Some encrypted mods can be affected on game itself's performance. Also some mods' sizes are are like 300mb, which could have done in like 80 mb, if you can optimize it.

Second, untrue part is...
Some modders has no idea what they're doing. Therefore, some major issues are seen plain sight. Such as terrible handling, broken suspension models, weird aero behavior and of course, lack of optimization of file size and performance.
Yet they encrypts their mods, as they're acting like they're great modder.

So, if you have better knowledge than they do, you could fix it. But if their mods are encrypted, you can't.
You have forced to use those mods with half-baked shape.

Publicado originalmente por Fret:

it's their mod right?

True. However, most of times, models aren't their's.
You can't claim model's rights over something they have converted.
Also conversion is not something worth to claim control. As model conversion isn't that difficult as everyone imagine. Like I said in OP, depends on model and optimization, conversion can be done within even 10 hours.
Also to me, I want to claim nothing over 30 hours that used borrowed models.

Also encryption wasn't something originally existed.

Publicado originalmente por Fret:

Maybe you have different goals with the mods and need them to be editable but for the majority of us it's a non issue I think, and definitely not something to get this stressed and worked up over.

My goal is making a place where I can settle in. As I've been kicked out of my place TWICE for absolutely wrong reason and company/"community manager"'s tyranny and atrocity.

By the way, you're correct at last part.
I'm definitely overly stressed to encrypted mods.

However, also some modders are stressed over something that doesn't actually exist. This is addressed in OP.

But further elaborate, some modders are so insecure and gets angry for someone adding fuel_cons.ini to their mods. That's why they encrypts. Despite of something which supposed to be existed at first place.
I've actually reported some modders about fuel_cons.ini. But they deleted my comment and blocked me later on YouTube. This is ridiculous. (Also this is done by very popular modder).

If you have downloaded a bad mod, most of people would delete it. But some people like myself, would rather try to improve it.

Edit: Grammar. Sorry about that. original one was poor.

[bnuuy.]

yeah right, encrypted mods deserves to be unencrypted

[ir3b3ld3i]

I make maps from scratch, I go to the location, I make the measurements I need and the textures are my own photos.

Why should I NOT encrypt my creations? Yes, anyone can steal your work, and anyone can modify the work.

I encrypt so that this does not happen, my creations are delivered finished and polished, there is no need to make a mod of my creation, and I don't have to allow myself to be stolen either.

If you don't like it, make your own creations from scratch and you will understand why it is encrypted.

[WKB]

Publicado originalmente por ir3b3ld3i:

I make maps from scratch, I go to the location, I make the measurements I need and the textures are my own photos.

Why should I NOT encrypt my creations? Yes, anyone can steal your work, and anyone can modify the work.

I encrypt so that this does not happen, my creations are delivered finished and polished, there is no need to make a mod of my creation, and I don't have to allow myself to be stolen either.

If you don't like it, make your own creations from scratch and you will understand why it is encrypted.

First: I clearly said don't bother with this thread at OP. As this OP is half-year ago.

But since you commented it, I'll put my reply here. I'll take my responsibility. You should do so as well.

Second: read it properly.
My first issue is encrypted mods with half-baked (or even quarter-baked) quality with no chance to tweak data.acd (and other) files.

Even if its a scratch, but modders' still won't let us tweak minor thing (such as pit time, tire models or something), then I'm against of encryption and I personally find this an abuse.

Not just that, some people are actually using encryption to hide stolen asset/handling, despite of modder said "this is a scratch made!".
In fact, I also made a post about this before, at this discussion.

Second issue is, encrypted mod with converted models.
Don't even get me started with this bs.

Third: Different game, but I make 3D model from scratch as well. But I honestly don't care if someone edited/released my "work" with some tweaking.
If someone tweaked my work, then it means there was a room of improvement. So, I'd rather appreciate if someone did that to my work.
So, lose some of your ego.

In fact, tweaking things according to your taste, is the point of modding.
If you're against the idea, then you should NEVER do modding at the beginning.

HOWEVER, I can also understand with that feeling. Because someone, who is moron like ACTK do exist in Assetto Corsa community.
But here's another point I said in OP. If you're unintentionally punishing innocent user by intended to punish someone like ACTK, then you're offender "too" here.

Fourth: With respect, what is your mod then?
If you claiming to be "my creations are delivered finished and polished", then you should've proud of your work and out of respect, I'd like to see. So, please let me know. What is your mod?

However, here's another point I occasionally made in this discussion.
I've seen countless of examples that modder saying something like "high quality mod" despite of there are tons of flaws. Such as GTSupreme
Just making sure, this is not towards to you. This is about AC community as a whole. So, I hope you have no hard feeling with this part.

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Sure, its long-ass OP with broken English. I get it, my OP is so cringy to read to your mind.

But is it so difficult to taking my points? Especially the "Don't waste your time with this post" part?

Also this is the 2nd time I'm hearing "If you don't like it, make your own creations from scratch and you will understand why it is encrypted." BS. Without even reading my comment properly.
Are you the same guy who replied me on my comment on some YouTube video?

[Johnny Speed]

Publicado originalmente por ir3b3ld3i:

I make maps from scratch, I go to the location, I make the measurements I need and the textures are my own photos.

Why should I NOT encrypt my creations? Yes, anyone can steal your work, and anyone can modify the work.

I encrypt so that this does not happen, my creations are delivered finished and polished, there is no need to make a mod of my creation, and I don't have to allow myself to be stolen either.

If you don't like it, make your own creations from scratch and you will understand why it is encrypted.

Do you share your work or do you keep it private? If you do share your work do you have a link? Like on racedepartment or something?

If you keep it private then I don't understand why you replied to this thread.

[flat tire]

The concept of locking mods is baffling. You know, the game has to be able to read the files plain to use them. This isn't some unsolvable puzzle. It gets solved every time you run the game and load mods.

[DagZede]

Totally agree. Most of the mods I've come across, which use encryption outside of RSS/VRC, are just stolen models from other games with minimal edits. This hardly justifies encrypting them. You can instantly tell too, it's strange to see a detailed body matched with odd rims and brake calipers that are mounted in an unusual way. They didn't even bother hiding the fact that they're ripped from Gran Turismo.

Spot on with the LODs, size optimization, handling, fuel cons, and more too lol. How hard is it to make/include a fuel cons config even. It's feels terrible to uninstall them after trying to drive them for just a few minutes. I know you shouldn't have high expectations, but sometimes it scratches that itch for a niche car you want.

At least in the latest Content Manager, you can generate car previews for encrypted models now. I don't know why that bothers me the most, having a car with different preview than the rest of the cars. It's funny because these mods that we're talking about usually have the weirdest, terrible previews of all, never in the Kunos default preview style.

[matthew⁧⁧ 忘れてしま]

Their mod = their rules

[Adam]

This thread was quite old before the recent post, so we're locking it to prevent confusion.