McLaren MP4-12C ♥♥♥♥ handling

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I really like the McLaren MP4 and I always have heard of it as an agile and sharp car, very precise in the corners and with a good handling. In assetto corsa it feels like a fat truck launched at 300 km/h, handles like ♥♥♥♥, lots of understeer, oversteer is uncontrollable, brakes like its brake disks are made of wet soap (even if it has the cool animation of the airbrake that doesn't help) and it feels like there is very little grip even with semislicks. The lack of setting possibilities just makes things worse as i would like to increase anti-roll bar to avoid the car wobbling all over the place, also higher compression values in the suspension would help, but a lower coast differential would be essential to reduce understeer and enanche agility and braking.
It handles very bad ad it feels heavy, is it just me?

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Originally posted by Bear:

Ladies and gentleman, the GT3 spec has slick tires, the MP4-12c has road tires. The MP4 IRL is sharp and good with turns (for a road car) but the GT3 and almost all racing cars handle much much better than a road car so what your used to in games is nothing like a high performance car on road tires.

I use semislicks, but obviously the GT3 has a lot more downforce, proper slicks and stiff suspensions

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the GT3 is much more customizable, i would like to see more customization also for the MP4 because
1) the coast differential value is too high
2) It is too wobbly (the on-board computer should take care of it but here it isn't)
3) the 7th gear is uselless as gears are currently too long

[cerebus23]

Turn off al the traction stuff it made me just pure slower, only thing it made me better at was just mashing the throttle and let the traction control deal with it, turn it off abs tcs stability its not a hard car to drive now back 2 patches ago it felt horrid, but since .5 or so its been alot easier to drive period.

Protip never ever ever drive a gt2 or 3 car or f1 car or anything with tons of downforce and super fast on slicks then try and drive a road car on road tires, you would die. and never ever ever ever try and compare the two its apples and nuclear missiles.

[Ranger]

This is why I don't like so many damn road cars in the game (still love the game). Much prefer race cars - find road cars sloppier in general (except Ferrari) and less fun. A road car is fantastic for highways and exit ramps - not made for tracks and I just don't care to drive them on tracks. Before any good sims were developed (aside from GPL and Nascar by Papyrus), my favorite car to drive virtually was the Castrol Supra in GT.

I didn't like the AC tech demo - thought the Lotus was crap and boring. Right now I prefer the stock racers in GSC 2013 - and even like the mini's in that game - more fun than any of the road lotuses (lotii?) in AC. :) The McLaren GT3 is my favorite right now along with the BMW GT2 and GT3 - but Kunos please bring more GT's and other racers.

[Bigbazz]

Go drive some road cars slower than the MP4-12c at Vallelunga club layout, and then jump into the MP4-12c on the same track. You will find you have adjusted to slower more difficult cars and the track suits the car, you will probably find that all of a sudden the car feels amazing.

I'm fairly sure a lot of people are overdriving the car in high speed circuits and expecting much too much from it, it's easy to do as I do it myself. It's a pretty hard rut to get out of as you don't have the sense of speed or that seat in pants feel of a real car on the road.


The GT3 version of the 12c is a completely different car, it has the same chassis but everything else is different, all of the technology, the suspension systems and electronics are all scrapped for the racing car version in favour of traditional suspension and purpose built ECU, the engine is downtuned and the aerodynamics are massively different. And obviously the tyres are completely different.

The Road 12c and GT3 cars are not remotely comparable.

[WaxxFetish]

Originally posted by Bigbazz:

I'm fairly sure a lot of people are overdriving the car in high speed circuits and expecting much too much from it, it's easy to do as I do it myself. It's a pretty hard rut to get out of as you don't have the sense of speed or that seat in pants feel of a real car on the road.

Is it seat in pants or seat of the pants ?

I never know :)

[yusupov]

i shouldnt have made the comparison but it was the most obvious one. the car i was actually coming from was the 458 s3.

i wasj ust watching the top gear episode where they tracktested the huayra. it got the best lap time over the atom. 3rd best was this car. it must take a bit of a learning curve.

[cerebus23]

I drive the stock italia alot and the mp4 c mostly to test or just for a few laps but i since the .5 it was almost too easy to outpsce my italia times with the little bit of effort i put in. before that it felt more like the car the shows describe when the tcs was off nervous feeling and boy was it prior to about that .5 update.

s3 italia has slicks on it also though and the road cars do not even the stock italia is way way less grip than the s3 with racing slicks and the few upgrades it has less weight over the base car i dont think it has any hp upgrades. drive the s3 italia enough and try to go back to the base car you will have a hard hard time keepng it on the track.

[yusupov]

good point, ill give that a shot. im very ignorant about this stuff so i dont know how big a gap there is b/w semislicks & racing slicks.

[cerebus23]

sizeable on a race track in ideal conditions. :)

[Bigbazz]

Originally posted by WaxxFetish:

Originally posted by Bigbazz:

I'm fairly sure a lot of people are overdriving the car in high speed circuits and expecting much too much from it, it's easy to do as I do it myself. It's a pretty hard rut to get out of as you don't have the sense of speed or that seat in pants feel of a real car on the road.

Is it seat in pants or seat of the pants ?

I never know :)

I see both used, it's originally "seat of the pants" I think!

[magicmazuma]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCPZSaHyZGQ

[yusupov]

yeah i looked up that video too & almost linked it. for those of you play w/out assists does it feel as different as described? i wonder if its difficult to model advanced systems like that in a sim.

[magicmazuma]

You can notice a big diffrence when you enable TC thats for sure..

[Packy]

Originally posted by iLlama:

Originally posted by magicmazuma:

If the car comes witth ABS and TC from the factory it will still be active even when turned off from the main menu.. To turn those of completely use ctrl t and ctrl a while on track.

The stock TC is off by default, turning it on is a great improvement, thanks!

I'm confused.
So the MP4-12C does not have TC according to illama's comment? If it does have TC it would still have be ON even if the setting was turned to OFF.
thanks.