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Run the tyre monitor app while driving.
You will notice the tyres heat up and cool down depending on the corner/speed and how hard you are pushing the car in general. It's working exactly how it should.
As someone who races in leagues it's important to get maximum tyre wear and avoid over-heating or under-heating your tyres and i monitor the app like a hawk sometimes and it's working in realtime like you would expect.
Also regarding camber.... When you are in the pits and you adjust the camber the live monitor only shows the camber where you are in the pits. As you drive your camber is changing heaps on every corner and you need to get something like the motec app with ACTI.
That way with those two apps you can do a lap and go back and check your camber across the whole lap and then change it depending on the results from ACTI. You can input formulas so that they tell you everything you need to know.
Yes there are some common settings for most cars but if you want to fine tune your camber you need to use the apps.
With camber and ACTI I hear a lot of people will get an average camber across the whole track and some people (who tend to be faster) say they spec the camber to the corner they need the most speed from.
I'm honestly not that good with the setups yet but I appreciate a good setup when someone has spent the time to correctly tune it.,
you get the Motec software with the RD download but I thought I'd chuck in the link for other stuff from Motec.
http://www.motec.com.au/software/latestreleases/
Basically in realtime this is all the stuff AC does car wise in the background
>>> ABS Active
>>> ABS Enabled
>>> Best Lap Time
>>> Brake Pos
>>> CG Accel Lateral
>>> CG Accel Longitudinal
>>> CG Accel Vertical
>>> CG Height
>>> Camber FL
>>> Camber FR
>>> Camber RL
>>> Camber RR
>>> Car Coord X
>>> Car Coord Y
>>> Car Coord Z
>>> Car Damage Front
>>> Car Damage Left
>>> Car Damage Rear
>>> Car Damage Right
>>> Car Pos Norm
>>> Caster FL
>>> Caster FR
>>> Chassis Pitch Angle
>>> Chassis Pitch Rate
>>> Chassis Roll Angle
>>> Chassis Roll Rate
>>> Chassis Velocity X
>>> Chassis Velocity Y
>>> Chassis Velocity Z
>>> Chassis Yaw Rate
>>> Clutch Pos
>>> DRS Active
>>> Drive Train Speed
>>> Engine Limiter
>>> Engine RPM
>>> Fuel Level
>>> Gear
>>> Ground Speed
>>> HR Sample Clock
>>> In Pit
>>> LR Sample Clock
>>> Lap Time
>>> Lap Time2
>>> Last Lap Time
>>> Max Fuel
>>> Max Power
>>> Max RPM
>>> Max Sus Travel FL
>>> Max Sus Travel FR
>>> Max Sus Travel RL
>>> Max Sus Travel RR
>>> Max Torque
>>> Num Tires Off Track
>>> Raw Data Sample Rate
>>> Ride Height FL
>>> Ride Height FR
>>> Ride Height RL
>>> Ride Height RR
>>> Self Align Torque FL
>>> Self Align Torque FR
>>> Self Align Torque RL
>>> Self Align Torque RR
>>> Session Lap Count
>>> Steering Angle
>>> Suspension Travel FL
>>> Suspension Travel FR
>>> Suspension Travel RL
>>> Suspension Travel RR
>>> TC Active
>>> TC Enabled
>>> Throttle Pos
>>> Tire Dirt Level FL
>>> Tire Dirt Level FR
>>> Tire Dirt Level RL
>>> Tire Dirt Level RR
>>> Tire Load FL
>>> Tire Load FR
>>> Tire Load RL
>>> Tire Load RR
>>> Tire Loaded Radius FL
>>> Tire Loaded Radius FR
>>> Tire Loaded Radius RL
>>> Tire Loaded Radius RR
>>> Tire Pressure FL
>>> Tire Pressure FR
>>> Tire Pressure RL
>>> Tire Pressure RR
>>> Tire Radius FL
>>> Tire Radius FR
>>> Tire Radius RL
>>> Tire Radius RR
>>> Tire Rubber Grip FL
>>> Tire Rubber Grip FR
>>> Tire Rubber Grip RL
>>> Tire Rubber Grip RR
>>> Tire Slip Angle FL
>>> Tire Slip Angle FR
>>> Tire Slip Angle RL
>>> Tire Slip Angle RR
>>> Tire Slip Ratio FL
>>> Tire Slip Ratio FR
>>> Tire Slip Ratio RL
>>> Tire Slip Ratio RR
>>> Tire Temperature FL
>>> Tire Temperature FR
>>> Tire Temperature RL
>>> Tire Temperature RR
>>> Toe In FL
>>> Toe In FR
>>> Toe In RL
>>> Toe In RR
>>> Turbo Boost
>>> Wheel Angular Speed FL
>>> Wheel Angular Speed FR
>>> Wheel Angular Speed RL
>>> Wheel Angular Speed RR
But that's the problem with your method because it's too random and you can't make an informed decision because all you have is one result at one point on the track.
If you run the app you get a average/min/max results and then you can adjust PSI and other stuff to adjust heat.
Camber and heat is related but I'd be setting up camber based on speed. That means using the app and working out where your camber sucks and where it's great and then make little adjustments to improve it. Camber is about getting as much rubber on the road and the faster guys spec the camber to a specific corner on the track to get maximum rubber hence most grip and hence most speed.
It's the method that needs to be changed. think about this does a race driver ask randomly what his tyre temps are and then adjust based on that one result? or do they look at all the data across the whole lap and then make adjustments?
@rage, if they are core temp should still be higher, thats after a full race, and as I keep saying temps core or not should not be equal across the tyre, this is soooo important, acording to heat both my tyres entire race ,despite massive camber and a majority right hand turns, are completely flat on surface of road, thats IMPOSSIBLE with any camber, let alone 3.9
also if it was the core I wouldnt be able to do a fast burn out, jump to pit straight away and see 100+ temps on any thing other then surface, but that the reading.
Are there any AC setup wizards out there that could look at it and try explain, its really not right, also why is grain\blister at 0 per cent after a full race?this is 1x tyre wear after 10 laps of nurburg circuit.
Do you have tyre wear on? You couldn't get even 1/4 of the way through one lap without getting some grain. If you have zero grain after 10 laps you must have tyre wear off or some other thing that is messing with it.
before the next race just hit "pro setting" and then test.
Yep tripple checked settings, as thought exactly the same, tyre wear at 1x, maybe its a bug where its turning off, but not sure, got work gonna run more tests later, cause this a big issue, Im still far more concerned with the temps,but if heating still works with tyre wear off it still very very odd results.
feel free to look yourself, this is a glaring issue so either Im doing something very wrong, or players just arent intrested enough about setups to notice.
Quick race pro setting 4 laps.
Are you getting this on all cars on all tracks or is it a specific combo? I think you said earlier it's everything but can you confirm.
Also just to be a pain can you uplaod the ACTI file so I can check myself in motec?
install the apps and then we can see 100% if what you are saying is indeed correct.
And no, I don't believe in todays world with all the sensors one can fit to a car that they wouldn't have live temps being sent back to the pit crew engineers. I doubt they run out and just hit the tyre with a tyre pyrometer (heat gun).
A quick google search (not ideal) shows you can install a infra-red temperature sensor into the car and monitor the temps of the tyre in realtime across the whole lap which is sent back to a pitcrew. So no I think these days there are better methods to test tyre temps.
Below are some of the more typical sensors found in a race car.
Pretty cool stuff I didn't know half of it till I read through it but it all makes perfect sense why you need these sensors.
Low Air Pressure and Vacuum Sensor. The Perfect Sensor For Measuring Air Box Pressure for testing Aero Dynamics to Cooling System and Cooling and Brake Duct Air Pressures
Steering Position Sensor, Steering Angle Sensor
Throttle Position, Throttle Angle Sensor (TPS)
Throttle or Gas Pedal Plunger Position Sensor, Throttle Angle Sensor
String (Cable) Type Position Sensor (applications include Throttle, Steering, and Universal Position Sensing)
Rotary Position Sensor, can be used as a Shock or SuspensionTravel Sensor, (bell crank shock applications) Throttle Position Sensor, or any device that requires a precision rotational measurement on the race car.
EGT (Exhaust Gas Temperature) sensor
CHT (Cylinder Head Temperature) sensor
Water Temperature, Oil Temperature or other Fluid Temperature sensors
Suspension Travel Sensor
“G” Force Accelerometer:
MINI “G” Force Accelerometer:
PSI sensor Oil, Water, Fuel, Boost, Brake, Nitrous pressure, and more can be measured with these sensors.
Axel wheel, or drive shaft sensor. This sensor is used for measuring MPH as well as RPM of axle shafts, drive shaft, and input shafts. This sensor is the one of the most important sensors that you can monitor, which is why it comes standard with our "Results" and "Professional" Data systems. The sensor works by
sending a signal to the data logger when the magnet(s) passed by. This sensor will
calculate MPH, speed through the corners, clutch slip and more.
brake rotor sensor
Wide Band Air Fuel Ratio Sensor with UEGO Controller
Air Fuel Ratio O2 Sensor:
Turbo Boost Sensor
MPH Sensor
Infra-Red Temperature Sensors
The temps at end of few laps holds all the info, live data is fairly irrelvant when can take temp for average of whole track, you dont setup cars for one corner but the whole circuit, mate Im sorry taking tyre temps is the NUMBER ONE method of quikly getting good indication of what the cars doing around the course, this is very well documented for real life racing, yes money rich teams will ADD to that, but taking temps on inner middle and outter tells you vitually everything, engineer will talk to driver, then adjust, the methood I describe is correct, and you shoudlnt be debating that aspect.
It also pretty irrelevant what the the tyre is doing live as end results arent a realistic result,Iam on lucnh break and just tested 10 laps on nurburg sprint, worringly exact same issue, its even more worrying as the temps are almost identical to MP4, which has almost twice as much camber
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=572405135
Have you got a screen of your results? be intresting.and yeah you keep skirting the issue, live track data isnt going to fix teh very wrong end results.
Why has the KTM with a 1.3 camber got exact same temp across both front tyres as teh mp4 with 3.9, do you see what Iam saying? its imposible to have equal temps across the tyre EVEN with a car with 0 camber as diffrent turns put heat on differnt parts of tyre.
This is a major issue.a perfect setup going off temps, would have the exact same diff, on inner outter and middle, like 70\80\90, that reading would tell me ive got it pretty perfect give or take couple of degrees (its never THAT perfect).