Assetto Corsa
THE WORST CAR SIMULATION
this is tho most awfull car simulation i have ever played on pc. too far away from real physics and feedback.
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Well, this, if someone really want realism, get a carr to a local track and enjoy.

Just . . . dont do like it was a NFS or a GTA game, or else it may cost you your car . . . or your life (or even worst, your life and someone else life too).

And again, the problem with Mr Deap is exactly that, because "no sim is perfect" he bring everything to "Mario Kart standard" and whoever is faster than him is faster because of "arcade braking", "arcade throttle" and "arcade steering".

Even in real life certain things are exploitable "if the driver is able to do it consistently without breaking the car and going faster there".

Senna throttle technique was something no other driver at the time did and no other driver after did either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4kcLyYhThE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LId5SKxljqs

Alonso steering is also ssomething Alonso did too, also a thing other driver did not do too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Dv0Ja6HQU

So yes, every driver, whenever they really can, they will find every little exploiot, even in real life, but it require technique to do it and a solid understanding of everything he need to do it properly and to make it worth.

Happen that at a simulator, if a driver loses a braking point, use too much throttle, spin, understeer, etc . . . and destroy the car, all the simracer have to do is start another race, get back to pits or just back another day, a real life driver have to literally have the ball the size of Jupiter or the sun to be able to drive at that absolute limit and skills of the same size or even bigger to do it on the fly, without being able to drive hundreds of hours on the same car and track, under the same conditions, to finally make that time.

At older times, drivers had that week to practice ith the car at that track, to do their setup and setup that many times had to be made almost on the las minutes because of weather changing, and still they had to manage to drive at the absolute limits of their skill and car capacity at current track conditions to try and get ahead of everyone else and that is a "limitation" simracers dont have.

That also is another set of things that make simracers being able to drive faster than real life times, not only the fact the sim is not perfect, but the fact weather, track conditions, car parts connditions and how many laps under the same condition the driver have
It's a game, and games are meant to be fun. And AC is exactly that, good fun. I couldn't care less if someone thinks it's the worst thing ever, so really I shouldn't care what Deap says. But his continued attempts to troll and dissuade any new people to the game irks me, as they could miss out on a fun game because of him. I like Assetto, I'll say it again, it's good fun. I've spent hours helping people I've never met configure their game properly so they too can enjoy it. And the results have always been positive. So seeing Deap do as Deap does gets under my skin. I shouldn't let it, and it's probably what he wants, but it is easy to get tired of seeing his ramblings.
Автор сообщения: onearmedbandit
It's a game, and games are meant to be fun. And AC is exactly that, good fun.
Austin Ogonoski still play AC. It's a proof that AC is indeed fun. I never claimed this game is bad, just have some very strong quirk that need to be adapted to be fun.

It's the way some people act irrationally toward new player to AC. Plenty of new gamers are slow because of the game doesn't have a very intuitive feedback & not because weird peeps think they're badly naturally gifted. I used JSR Devon as an example.

Even GT Sport can be a bad placebo while some extreme end of arcade racing game does a much better job at getting that natural feel

Sim Racing at the Pro level is hard because it's unintuitive, not because of the realism. The weird peeps with car/bike avatar or make it hard to enjoy simracers play or even have respect toward them.

You know, speedruns are full of glitches & it's enjoyable to watch for a reason. If you start to include some mixed reality, it become junk.
So I've been trying to figure out this stupid game, and just can't. Trying to make sure my start, lines, braking, throttling, shifting is all good, but no matter what I try I just can't. The AI just seems as tho it doesn't need to slow down for turns as much, and just seems as tho it doesn't ever lose speed. I dunno anymore! Here is a replay with full assists off, and AI set to 98%. I did switch to automatic, but the shifting just feels delayed! I don't think I'm gonna bother with this game... atleast for awhile. I'm looking for fun, and this just ain't it!

https://streamable.com/c5171h
Автор сообщения: ToastedRipper
So I've been trying to figure out this stupid game, and just can't. Trying to make sure my start, lines, braking, throttling, shifting is all good, but no matter what I try I just can't. The AI just seems as tho it doesn't need to slow down for turns as much, and just seems as tho it doesn't ever lose speed. I dunno anymore! Here is a replay with full assists off, and AI set to 98%. I did switch to automatic, but the shifting just feels delayed! I don't think I'm gonna bother with this game... atleast for awhile. I'm looking for fun, and this just ain't it!

https://streamable.com/c5171h
One of the things I noticed is, you try to stay away from the apex of the turn, usually you drive more to the middle of each turn, you see AI giong for the apex, using more of the outside at exit and going faster through the turn because the AI is using more of the track and with higher entry speed, higher turning speed and higher exit speed than what you are using, exactly because you end up not being anle to enter with same speed, not able to carry as much speed neither able to go full throttle as early as the AI, what result in an AI that goes away from you by what look like to be over 1s/lap.

It have to do more with your racing line and how you are doing the turns.
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Автор сообщения: ToastedRipper
So I've been trying to figure out this stupid game, and just can't. Trying to make sure my start, lines, braking, throttling, shifting is all good, but no matter what I try I just can't. The AI just seems as tho it doesn't need to slow down for turns as much, and just seems as tho it doesn't ever lose speed. I dunno anymore! Here is a replay with full assists off, and AI set to 98%. I did switch to automatic, but the shifting just feels delayed! I don't think I'm gonna bother with this game... atleast for awhile. I'm looking for fun, and this just ain't it!

https://streamable.com/c5171h
One of the things I noticed is, you try to stay away from the apex of the turn, usually you drive more to the middle of each turn, you see AI giong for the apex, using more of the outside at exit and going faster through the turn because the AI is using more of the track and with higher entry speed, higher turning speed and higher exit speed than what you are using, exactly because you end up not being anle to enter with same speed, not able to carry as much speed neither able to go full throttle as early as the AI, what result in an AI that goes away from you by what look like to be over 1s/lap.

It have to do more with your racing line and how you are doing the turns.
Not sure if I understand you, but If I try to enter tighter, and faster I spin out, or brakes lock, and steering the corner becomes useless.
Отредактировано ToastedRipper; 12 окт. 2020 г. в 8:20
Well just tried to do what you were saying, and come in tighter with the same or more speed... Results were far worse. Everything basically locks up in steering, and I end up off the track because the brakes seem to just disappear. I'm moving on! I'm looking for fun, and don't ever see myself finding it in this game! Have fun guys!
Отредактировано ToastedRipper; 12 окт. 2020 г. в 9:58
Автор сообщения: ToastedRipper
Well just tried to do what you were saying, and come in tighter with the same or more speed... Results were far worse. Everything basically locks up in steering, and I end up off the track because the brakes seem to just disappear. I'm moving on! I'm looking for fun, and don't ever see myself finding it in this game! Have fun guys!
If you was locking brakes, you should release more of the brake (not full release) before starting to use some throttle (not full throttle) and then modulate throttle untill the car was stable and aligned enough to go full throttle for the straight.

Anyway . . .
Also, if "98%" was being too much, you could have just lowered to 95%, 90% . . . dont know.
Автор сообщения: ToastedRipper
So I've been trying to figure out this stupid game, and just can't. Trying to make sure my start, lines, braking, throttling, shifting is all good, but no matter what I try I just can't. The AI just seems as tho it doesn't need to slow down for turns as much, and just seems as tho it doesn't ever lose speed. I dunno anymore! Here is a replay with full assists off, and AI set to 98%. I did switch to automatic, but the shifting just feels delayed! I don't think I'm gonna bother with this game... atleast for awhile. I'm looking for fun, and this just ain't it!

https://streamable.com/c5171h

Looks like you're driving with a keyboard? Get at the very least, a controller, or preferrably a wheel. Whatever the case, (I really don't mean any offense here) you need to learn to drive before you try learning to race. I'd recommend you go to hotlap or practise mode and do that until you're getting times that can beat the AI at the level you wanna race by atleast a second.
Автор сообщения: EF_Neo1st
Автор сообщения: pommyroo01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwhOTZwCD2Q
Well I'm a fool! :(

I've been doing everything wrong!
Отредактировано ToastedRipper; 12 окт. 2020 г. в 11:06
Автор сообщения: ToastedRipper
I'm using xbox1 controller, have played, and loved many racing games... except this one! But, I'm just no longer gonna waste my time with it!
I watched the quick replay. I can definitely tell the car has less grip & you didn't adjust the tire pressure.

AC is a setup game. The tire pressure need to be ideal all the time. For road cars, it's usually max negative camber, because the factory suspension is too soft, the car roll faster with more grip that you end up not taking advantage of the tires.
Автор сообщения: ToastedRipper
Автор сообщения: EF_Neo1st
Well I'm a fool! :(

I've been doing everything wrong!
Well, good if that Viperconcept video helped.
Автор сообщения: EF_Neo1st
Автор сообщения: ToastedRipper
Well I'm a fool! :(

I've been doing everything wrong!
Well, good if that Viperconcept video helped.
It did not... they still turn, and accelerate far better than me at every corner. How they are able to turn so sharp without skidding or losing throttle is beyond me. At this point I'm just over it. Time for other games that are actually fun! Sorry guys!
Автор сообщения: ToastedRipper
Автор сообщения: EF_Neo1st
Well, good if that Viperconcept video helped.
It did not... they still turn, and accelerate far better than me at every corner. How they are able to turn so sharp without skidding or losing throttle is beyond me. At this point I'm just over it. Time for other games that are actually fun! Sorry guys!
They turn, use throttle and brake . . . smoother, also they turn only once, brake only once, release brake only once and use throttle only once entering, through and exiting the turn.

Anyway, as you said you are not having fun, well, something else it is (still you could just lower AI to 95% or 90%, you pace seemed reasonable for 95% or 90% and I dont really understand why you was pushing yourself to a limit you was not achieving now).
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